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I think it was Tony Cascarino who famously said
"O'Leary would know the chairmans wife's name but not the captain of the youth team's name".
so far Stan has been a walking disaster hopefully things will get better. He should be replaced by a successful manager.
O'Leary, that lickspittle over Stan? Have you guys any self respect?
Aldo would have been less worse? maybe, who knows. Much of a muchness.
Stan's had 3 games as team manager so far in his life. One so so, one stinker and one good game. Hardly a walking disaster just yet. He's an easy target for sneers and snobs.
Could be he's on an upward learning curve, despite himself.
Hold your fire.
That's where you need a Roy Keane - would never consider a home draw a good game.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
3 !?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
OK I've tried to expunge a few of them from my memory but the fact is we've had 7 games under the gaffer - 3 friendlies and 4 qualifiers.
One of them was by far the worst ever performance in the footballing history of our nation and another was the most abject home performance in recent memory.
I wish and hope it were otherwise but I fear the gaffer is a dead man walking.
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Originally Posted by gspain
I'll have to call you on this assertion. If O'Leary has a failing it is this personality, however he achieved quite a lot at Leeds. O'Neill isn't exactly setting the world alight at Villa now is he? Villa is one of the toughest jobs in the Premiership, just count the managers...
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Originally Posted by geysir
That's the point of many when stan got the job... The international stage is no place for anyone to be on their upward learning curve. That includes any international team, not just Ireland. Long story short, stan is cutting his teeth at our expense. That's what I'm bitter about.
If that is the case - that he didnt have time to read the application of a candidate who was CLEARLY more qualified than Stan, then Delaney should be charged with criminal negligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
If we beat San Marino, Wales and Slovakia you'll all be back on the Stan wagon!!!!
if we beat the 3 above teams (and i 100% hope we do) i believe it will be inspite of stan as opposed to because of him!Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
and BTW we SHOULD beat those 3 teams in normal circumstances. none are heavyweights and 2 are at home. san marino are utter sh1te, wales aren't anywhere near a good side and slovakia can't be considered anything more than a second or third tier european team.
in any previous time (within last 20 years) an away win v SM, home wins V wales and slovakia would be a given so don't think that stan is any tactical genius if we do get 9 from 9.
We won't beat all three with that donkey managing us.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Agreed. All I want from Stan at this stage is to play our best 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
i sincerely hope we win all three but i have a feeling that there is a banana skin in there somewhere.
Is it only in Ireland (and FIFA) that pre season/ mid-season International friendlies are taken so seriously and results are added to the managerial & team statistics. What matters are the competitive games. Friendlies are mostly dire with some wonder moments when the opposing team has a dreadful right back or they all fall over themselves backing off.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergalr
They don't matter if you want to slate Kerr or they do matter if you want to slate Stan.
The main gripe (apart from a temporary Alan O'B fixation) with Stan was the midfield clutter. I think the fact that he continued to play Carsley in the SM game shows some part of his football brain is taking shape. Giles pointed out out that it's a manager's duty to play the best 11 available to him. Stan made a poor judgement in ditching Carsley & being stubborn about it, in favour of having a shapeless system to give youth it's chance.
Then again, a much more experienced and tactically aware manager like Kerr dropped Kavanagh in favour of O'Shea at CM against the Swiss in the crucial last game. Mightn't have made much difference but after 5 minutes of play, midfield looked awful.
For me to have some more confidence in Stan's future then we will have to win the next 2 home games.
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Originally Posted by geysir
Whether you count friendlies or not he has still managed 4 games for Ireland and not 3.
There could be a stumbling block wrapped in a banana skin if not dealt with properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerMilla
The teams current chaotic state has me a bit concerned about the Welsh at Croker.
There'll be a lot of additional hype, pre-game presentations and a surreal edge to the surroundings that could affect the Irish team. Of course, if managed and harnassed correctly (by the right manager) this could all be turned to our advantage - but I've an uneasy vibe about that game.
Toshack is a shrewd opperator and knows the value of the psychology to all this. I wouldn't under estimate the Welsh - there's a few in there who could put us away.
Hope to christ I'm wrong.
Stan is a joke. The friendly against Chile ws the first sign for me, then the sheer humiliation against the dutch, could have been 10-0...Even before we kicked a ball in these qualifiers team morale and self belief and the manager was rock bottom..Thats Stans fault...the result against Cech Rep was dissappointing we should have one that they were on the ropes..yet again another Ireland team hadnt the bottle to beat a team we were dominating..
O'Dreary or the "gaffer". Give me the Samaritan's quickly! Christ what would we give now for a proper manager who knows what hes doing and dosen't talk ****e.
I have to admit I'm a deluded optimist. I wanted Stan to go after Cyrpus but the attitude shown in the Czech game has convinced me he still has the faith in the players and they will fight for him. We need 9 out of 9 in the next 3 games and then who knows where we could be heading in 2008? A defeat in any of them qualifiers and then its time for him to move on maybe but NEVER EVER O'Leary as a replacement.
Sorry Paul but that's nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Much of the now relatively minor successes (seen as huge strides at the time) that Leeds team had were on the back of young players brought on in Leeds Thorpe Arch academy. The worst O'Leary can be accused of in that regard is that he stood on the shoulders of Howard Wilkinsons vision.
That they spent money they didn't have isn't an issue. DOL didn't sign cheques or negotiate wages.
What he did do was steer a team to the last 4 of the CL despite a media circus and a police incident room being set up at the training ground.
I'd have him back at Leeds in a shot if he'd take the job. I'd like to see him amnage Ireland someday too.
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Originally Posted by geysir
exactly
but
thats not going so well either, is it?
cyprus, germany, czech rep...........3 s hit results in my opinion
oh yeah we beat san marino:rolleyes: