Galway UTD FC Go Full Time

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13/12/2006, 10:18 AM
Ronnie

Macy, gross pay has to be the basis -as players are entitled to tax back then the rate of tax they pay is of no relevance to the club. Problem is the amount a full time players needs to be paid to compensate for the lack of security and the lost wage from working. A guy earning 25k pa plus a part time wage of 20k pa playing football would surely want at least 50k to even consider it. Run right, an average full time club will cost double the best of the part time clubs. I still can't see where 6 or 7 clubs can generate 1.5 pa
13/12/2006, 10:23 AM
gufct

Galway will be working with the Players employers who are in jobs to see if their training schedule and rest days can be worked into the players current working contract.

This happened when Don O'Riordan was manager before and it worked very well.
13/12/2006, 11:10 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

Macy, gross pay has to be the basis -as players are entitled to tax back then the rate of tax they pay is of no relevance to the club.

At the moment most player contracts are done on a net pay basis. They negotiate for �500 a week net, and then the club has to pay the tax on top of that, be that at 20% or 42%. Hence we had all (what turned out to be evasion) schemes to do with expenses exposed when Rovers went into examinership. Thankfully clubs are starting to get away from this ridiculous position, despite opposition from the PFAI.

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

A guy earning 25k pa plus a part time wage of 20k pa playing football would surely want at least 50k to even consider it. Run right, an average full time club will cost double the best of the part time clubs.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at in the second part. However, it is still possible with younger, inexperienced players. Afterall, League 2 (Division 4) and Conference teams pay full time players much less than the full time wages we pay.
13/12/2006, 11:19 AM
holidaysong

Bahumbug!
13/12/2006, 11:19 AM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by gufct

Galway will be working with the Players employers who are in jobs to see if their training schedule and rest days can be worked into the players current working contract.

They'll still be working at other jobs while full-time footballers? :confused:
13/12/2006, 11:25 AM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Schumi

They'll still be working at other jobs while full-time footballers? :confused:

Rosenborg players do the same. But employers over there are more friendly towards their league. IMO the only way forward as this league cannot sustain full time football.

KOH
13/12/2006, 11:26 AM
Dodge

The theory is to be a full time fotballer and part time worker. Similar to most Irish athletes etc
13/12/2006, 11:31 AM
bohs til i die

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Rosenborg players do the same. But employers over there are more friendly towards their league. IMO the only way forward as this league cannot sustain full time football.

KOH

Rosenborg players dont do the same. Rosenborg players are all full time with no other job. When we were there in 2003 we were givena tour around the stadium, training facilities etc and they explained to us that some clubs in Norway do operate that sort of scheme but Rosenborg havent done so since the mid 90's
13/12/2006, 11:33 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

The theory is to be a full time fotballer and part time worker. Similar to most Irish athletes etc

Didn't Pats try this under Collins?
13/12/2006, 11:44 AM
Dodge

Aye, still do for certain players AFAIK. Problem with the Collins experiment was that he let go perfectly capable players who wouldn't got full time and replaced them with rubbish full timers. The theory is sound enough
13/12/2006, 11:44 AM
Dazzy

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Originally Posted by Schumi

They'll still be working at other jobs while full-time footballers? :confused:

Derry has been doing that the last two years.
13/12/2006, 11:47 AM
red bellied

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Originally Posted by gufct

Galway will be working with the Players employers who are in jobs to see if their training schedule and rest days can be worked into the players current working contract.

This happened when Don O'Riordan was manager before and it worked very well.

That will only be possible for players working in the Galway area mainly what ever locals are playing there at present, anyone else they get in I think would be on full time contracts. This is how it worked at Sligo the part-timers (the locals) trained at night and the boys who were on full time contracts had a session in the morning and then again at night. Since Rovers entered the LOI in the thirties, the club has always had full time pros from England and Scotland and this has more or less continued to the very day.

About to change next season, with the new manager adopting a strictly full time option with training in the morning and afternoon though losing out on local players like Mc Namara and O Grady who were unwilling to give up their jobs.
13/12/2006, 11:47 AM
gufct

It is the only way it will work for us.Sligo have let go players this season without thinking through how they will get replacements.
13/12/2006, 11:54 AM
red bellied

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Originally Posted by gufct

It is the only way it will work for us.Sligo have let go players this season without thinking through how they will get replacements.

Well that is down to McDonald he has his own ideas, if he is successfull is another thing.
13/12/2006, 12:35 PM
Redzer

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Originally Posted by gufct

Sligo have let go players this season without thinking through how they will get replacements.

Please explain how you came up with this gem of information!!!!
We have a budget for players you know. We also have a new manager in who has his own ideas of the type of player he wants. He has explained to the public in great detail on this weeks local paper, the reason each player has left or was released.
He has a very good idea of getting replacements, including one from Galway.
I havn't got a link, but look up the Sligo Weekender for more details.
13/12/2006, 12:46 PM
green-blood

eh cough cough

Now that the league is being rin by Fran Gavin - beware, ALL players wil lahve the new standard contract.
13/12/2006, 12:49 PM
bigmac

hope it doesn't go belly up on Galway, seems like a very big step to take very quickly though.
13/12/2006, 1:31 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Rosenborg players dont do the same. Rosenborg players are all full time with no other job. When we were there in 2003 we were givena tour around the stadium, training facilities etc and they explained to us that some clubs in Norway do operate that sort of scheme but Rosenborg havent done so since the mid 90's

Not Rosenborg? Well knew it was some Norwegian clubs that do it. You were there in 2003? Fair play.

KOH
13/12/2006, 8:00 PM
JW.

The 4.55 train on Fridays, no messing pending, gets in at 7.15 or so - perfect. You can even walk to the ground with that much time.
Our budget is e1.1m, which really in this day and age isn't a huge amount of money.
14/12/2006, 7:55 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by green-blood

beware, ALL players wil lahve the new standard contract.

Does that have pay as net or gross? I don't think that was answered on the previous thread on the new contracts.

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