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The answer is probably yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Winning Setanta would get you €150k prize money, and probably no more than an additional €20k all-in-all in ticket sales, merchandise etc.
Therefore - even if an individual player could be single-handedly given the credit for winning any trophy (extremely unlikely for anyone bar the likes of Maradonna, Pele and Keane in their prime) then turning down €300k in the hope of winning €170k would be very bad business by any judgement.
thats just one cup though. suppose roy keeps on scoring, we win the league and do ok in europe, then leaves for free and joins coventry or someone. we'd probably still lose money, but we'd have succeeded in our objectives. nobody is in this business to make money so you have to ask yourself - what price are you willing to pay for success?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Your squad's quality is being whittled away by losing players for nothing or next to nothing leaving you unable to replace them. It's about time you started cashing in. The extra prize money gained by winning the Setanta won't be worth the 300k fee. If ROD is the difference between you winning things or not winning then you're a one man team and you need to address that problem sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
yes, because mick devine/dan murray/joe gamble/george o'callaghan/roy o'donovan were so expensive :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
the squad was being whittled down because we simpled had no money to even extend contracts. now we do.
Now you might have some money, but only due to new investors (though it remains to be seen what they're going to do and put in). Why do you think you had no money? The best way to run a club is to have it as a self sustaining entity that generates its own revenue rather than the Ollie Byrne approach of waiting around for investors who may never come and selling capital assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
We had no money because there is no money to be made in bettering the eircom league, short term. long term, it is the clubs who have spent money and invested in both playing staff and infrastructure who will eventually be able to sustain themselves by attracting crowds; something sitting idlely by on a low-cost, low-expectations model will never do, especially in a city with 5 clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Suppose Roy doesn't keep on scoring ? Suppose he gets injured ? Suppose, suppose, suppose....Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
You may think multi-million Euro business shoudld be run on the basis of fantasy, but I hope and doubt your board do.
What price are you willing to pay for success ? The question is more - what is the price of success. Your team achieved nothing this season because you'd no money, so there's your answer....
Wel - if there is no money to be made in the Eircom League, then you really should stop looking for investors and instead start looking to develop talent, utilise them to be successful, and then sell them on at a good price to genearte the cash to improve your club whilst starting the conveyor process again. As otherwise you ain't gonna see much success....Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
It's doing grand. Top half of the table finish (an inch off fifth place), two U-21 internationals, a nice new stadium. No need to jepardise our existence with spending money that simply does not exist. UCD's position isn't all that dissimilar from Hibs in Scotland. Capital side, great at developing young talent, move them on to a bigger club for money and start the process over again. They've little hope of ever winning the league and only make the odd cup final. No one suggests they pack it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
is that what football is all about? suppose we do hang on to him, he stays for a few years and becomes the eL's first million euro player? you can go on and and with the speculation but the truth is, the only thing that will ever better/secure financial standing of the clubs is a solid support base attracted by good, exciting players and teams that are going somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
apart from finishing third in the "real" league table and reaching a cup final, sure, lets say we achieved nothing this season. what has that got to do with last season's success?Quote:
You may think multi-million Euro business shoudld be run on the basis of fantasy, but I hope and doubt your board do.
What price are you willing to pay for success ? The question is more - what is the price of success. Your team achieved nothing this season because you'd no money, so there's your answer....
as i said, there is no money to be made in the short term without improving the standard and increasing the support. UCD have no hope of doing either and will be left behind in the league, sooner or later. if they're existing simply to train players for other clubs, perhaps they should look into being an academy or a junior club, rather than existing as an oddity in what will hopefully be a professional league soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
and they attract thousands of fans every week, because the club means something to the people of its city, rather than being a non entity college squad. hibernians are nothing like UCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
There's no actual reason that it's impossible for us to increase our support and you cannot say with absolute certainty that it will never happen. If being one of the top 6 sides in the country and bringing two Irish U-21 internationals into the eL is not helping the standard then what is?Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
The league has come on strides in the last few years and so have UCD. We've improved our league position several years running. Like the league we've been moving up and up and that's in spite of the addition of several full time teams.Quote:
and will be left behind in the league, sooner or later. if they're existing simply to train players for other clubs, perhaps they should look into being an academy or a junior club, rather than existing as an oddity in what will hopefully be a professional league soon
Southend signed Freddy Eastwood for a "nominal fee" from Conference side Grays they're now quoting £5m for him, Grays do have an undisclosed "hefty" sell-on fee as part of the deal. Which would you rather €120k or a smaller fee with say a 25% sell on fee, which in this case you could be looking at €1m
I think you will find that Shels have mad more money by winning hte league then the would have by selling Jayo. Don't forget Bray are still after 50% of any sell on, so better to have him here .
Eircom League clubs generrally aren't bullied, generally they're poorly run, they allow clauses to go into contracts (such as the ones Kevin Doyle and Stephen Kenny had) and they live in such a short term fashion that they usually sell quickly because the long term is generally so uncertain, even for the likes of Shels and CCFC who have success and in the latters case, the leagues highest attendances.
The quickest way for clubs to stop this perceived 'bullying' is for them to sort out their own houses, invest in underage structures and become (as has been stated) a self sustaining entity.
Re: Roy O'Donovan, if anyone offers more than €200k for him, CCFC will probably sell him. He's worth a little, not a lot more.
This is a pointless debate as CCFC refused a 120k euro bid NOT 300k. :rolleyes:
Out of contract players is a fact of life in the eL. The only difference is we actually have players other people want. Where is the criticism of UCD for leaving Quigley go out of contract, Derry City for clause allowing Stephen Kenny to leave without compensation.
Soon clubs will need to set budgets out spending no more than 65% of turnover on wages. Assuming this implemented how can you increase the wages paid to a player 18 months into 24 month contract? Surely this will mean you break the wages budget that was planned at the start of the season?
Top eL sides should keep their best players on longer contracts & pay them well. No one is exactly queuing up for the rest anyway...
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FYI
The Norway thing netted Bray Wanderers €50,000. They then sold him to Drogheda United for a fee. Nice bit of business I would say.
Wes Charles was loaned to Rostov On Don FC in Russia. That netted Bray Wanderers €40,000. Nice bit of business I would say.
Wes is now at Galway United I don't think a fee was involved. But are Bray bothered? Wes netted them €40,000 by going on loan !
Yes, but two (Quigley and Dicker) are under 23 and with us for two years. No-one here can yet say for sure whether that means we're entitled to compensation or not. An eL club would have to pay (like we got money for Cawley, Robbie Martin and Pat Sullivan), but I'm not 100% sure about transfers abroad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Are el clubs being ridden rock solid in the transfer market by English clubs?
Whatever happened to Pat Sullivan? Left full wasn't he? Meant to be a very promising player.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Also no money was paid to Cork for the then U-23 players free move to $hels!