Delaney pays over the odds for crap manager.

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

NY Hoop - I'm no fan of Hannigan either but as ever you can't see the wood for the trees. I'll spell it out for you - There is something really really dodgy about the apointment of Staunton. The hacks all know about it, they know the nature of the dodginess but not the exact ins and outs.

Several hacks are digging away at Delaney/Staunton and will soon be able to out the pair of crooks. In the meantime, Hannigan's piece states the obvious that Delaney paid waaay over the odds for a neophyte manager but crucially alludes to the fact there may be other reasons for it beyond football.

Hannigan is not part of the day-in-day-out press pack and so can afford to make broad hints. You getting this?

KOH

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Remarkable even for you. Did you this in my post: "Agree that Stan is on too much money but you cant blame him for that. Look who employed him."

I'll translate that for you: I dont agree with Stan being the new manager given his lack of experience but the blame lies with his employers. They promised a world class manager and didnt come up with one. Yes that is dodgy but who can be surprised really?

Christ I dont think anyone can argue over the content of the article. But thanks for having a pop as usual.

The point I was making, which obviously sailed waaaay over your head, is that hannigan is not a "respected sports writer". You get that?

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

The point I was making, which obviously sailed waaaay over your head, is that hannigan is not a "respected sports writer". You get that?

KOH

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And the evidance you used to support this is that he doesnt write about Cork City? I think he is a good writer altho havent read much of him since he left the tribune a while back. So he is respected by me. Didnt he have a part in a keane doc couple a years ago? extra points for that....:D

If those figures are correct, and I am thinking especially in terms of the Beenhakker figure, we should have been able to get Marcello Lippi for the kind of money being paid to Stan and Bobby.

I would think those figures are about right.

In the wake of not being able to actually fire Jack Charlton due to his just being on a "retainer" of about 60 grand PA (which he was then supplementing with his famous "earners" to the tune of 600,000) the FAI decided to standardise an attractive package for the manager with an "exclusivity of contract" clause that basically shot the Jacks "earner" culture in the head.

The 400,000 PA goes right the way back to Mick McCarthys appointment (would've been about quarter of a million Irish punts PA at the time)

Disgraceful figures to be paying someone though. particularly someone with no CV.

I have my doubts about the veracity of the reports about Beenhakkers salary of €250,000 p/a with Poland
When he was with T&T the government bankrolled the salary for Leo and assistants to the tune of €100,000 p/m.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2...5/sports1.html

I believe that Leo's cred factor increased while with T&T and at the WC.
I doubt that he would accept such a huge drop in salary to manage a higher profile national team.

At Euro 2004 salary p/a
Sven €6m
Bruckner €110,000
Scolari €1.7m
Rehhagel €720,000
Voller €2.8m
Trappatoni €1.6m
Saez €1m.

Its fairly likely that the Polish FA has not got much cash. It aint a country rolling in the dough. So I would say he is on that. In fairness its not a lot of work at the end of the day. The questions the above article raise are

1) did we really search out all the alternatives before appointing this novice?
2) when we did appoint him why did we increase his salary so much from what his previous job paid?
3) and the no brainer are we getting value for money?

I don't really want to get into this but one comment I'd say is that having money to apparently afford a world class manager is one thing but having a world class manager who wants the job is another thing altogether.

With the possible exception of Phillipe Troussier, not one article/journalist/ commentator has provided firm evidence that anyone I've seen mentioned had even a want for the position.

For me, herein lies the problem with the names people are saying we could have got. Theoretically correct maybe but nothing more, from what I can see.

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Originally Posted by Karlos

I don't really want to get into this but one comment I'd say is that having money to apparently afford a world class manager is one thing but having a world class manager who wants the job is another thing altogether.

With the possible exception of Phillipe Troussier, not one article/journalist/ commentator has provided firm evidence that anyone I've seen mentioned had even a want for the position.

For me, herein lies the problem with the names people are saying we could have got. Theoretically correct maybe but nothing more, from what I can see.

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It now seems clear that Delaney had decided to appoint Staunton as soon as Kerr had gone. And surely it is up to the FAI to get the best man available for the job and not wait in the hope that a proven manager will come knocking at Merrion Square. Fans on this board had mentioned Beenhakker as a possible who should have been approached when we all thought there was a vacancy! But the FAI I am now almost certain did not contact ANYONE other than Staunton. I base that on the fact that not one potential manager including O'Neill has ever mentioned been approached by the FAI.

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

But the FAI I am now almost certain did not contact ANYONE other than Staunton. I base that on the fact that not one potential manager including O'Neill has ever mentioned been approached by the FAI.

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I don't think I could come to the same conclusion from that one fact. I think the role of agents in the modern game play a significant part even before the action of approaching a manager even comes into it.

From what I've been told and it may or may not be true, agents made it clear that certain individuals need not be approached as they had no interest in the post. What I can be certain is that I wouldn't want a manger in the job who never wanted it in the first place.If your interested in a job, you apply for it or at the very least you instruct your agent to inform of potential interest.

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

It now seems clear that Delaney had decided to appoint Staunton as soon as Kerr had gone. And surely it is up to the FAI to get the best man available for the job and not wait in the hope that a proven manager will come knocking at Merrion Square. Fans on this board had mentioned Beenhakker as a possible who should have been approached when we all thought there was a vacancy! But the FAI I am now almost certain did not contact ANYONE other than Staunton. I base that on the fact that not one potential manager including O'Neill has ever mentioned been approached by the FAI.

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No obligation on anyone to confirm or deny if they applied or were approached? If Delaney had decided to appoint Staunton as soon as Kerr had gone, why did he wait so long?

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

£30,000 for a win £10,000 a draw and bus fare home for a defeat is how it should be done.

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Should we adjust that for inflation since we joined the Euro or are you suggesting we pay in some foreign currency?

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

It now seems clear that Delaney had decided to appoint Staunton as soon as Kerr had gone. And surely it is up to the FAI to get the best man available for the job and not wait in the hope that a proven manager will come knocking at Merrion Square. Fans on this board had mentioned Beenhakker as a possible who should have been approached when we all thought there was a vacancy! But the FAI I am now almost certain did not contact ANYONE other than Staunton. I base that on the fact that not one potential manager including O'Neill has ever mentioned been approached by the FAI.

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The F.A.I., top brass, are afraid to appoint a manager who might have the bottle to show them up for the incompetent idiots they are!

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

No obligation on anyone to confirm or deny if they applied or were approached? If Delaney had decided to appoint Staunton as soon as Kerr had gone, why did he wait so long?

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They did not have to pay a managerial salary for around 4 months. Massive savings there !:p