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Aldridge would be a good choice. He worked wonders at Tranmere, on a shoe-string budget. Eventually he had enough of it and quit after about five years of cuts, selling best players ect. Hel would instill a pasion into the team. Great idea to have Brian Kerr with him, but somehow I doubt Kerr would be willing to play second fiddle.
As much as I think Staunton going would be best for everyone I don't think he deserves to hear that chanted around the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by blobbyblob
He was a fantastic servent for us and a great player who doesn't deserve to hear that.
If we get beat tomorrow I'd hope he'd have the decency to resign. He doesn't need to be a member of MENSA to work out that that is what most fans want but I definately wouldn't like to hear any nasty chants aimed at him. I know you can't have your cake and eat it but that's the way I feel.
Fair point, he was a great servant. However if he had any dignity he would have offered to go on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
There's hardly any player I respect more than Aldridge but I don't know if he would be any better. There's a few more issues other than passion to be adressed.
With the criteria being established in stone after a shambolic performance that the manager must go then Kerr should have gone after the Switzerland away shambles, preceded with a few scrambled late winning goals against Georgia and Albania.
I never felt comfortable with the passion for the frenzied public execution of any of our managers.
If the penny dropped re the "minor detail" of midfield selection, midfield stability and Stan adresses the negative aspects of his stubborness then I would regard that as learning.
It helps when you have a manager who has the basic qualities already in place. Even with that it's still a lottery that the right man is the right place at the right time. Just look at the pressure Hiddink is under now. Or how would it be regarded if a Beenhakker type dropped Given.
I have said it in a couple of other threads that Aldo is the man. He has obvious passion for the team and he had reletive success with no money at all at Tranmere. He wouldnt take an crap from the players and I feel he would bring a professional approach to the team instead of the shambles that is the Stan regime.
Sadly though it looks as if Delaney has no interest in Aldo at all because he wouldnt even interview the man the last time. Delaney will have to go as well as Stan if Aldo is going to get the job.
Yep, I think the interview is uploaded here somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Yes .. normally you would think that a ex-manager would be too proud to go become number two .. but this is Brian .. who many on this forum have met on the terraces in Estonia or in Portugal in the rain .. and personal pride would take second place to passion for his country .. I'm guessing of course .. but I think it would be good pairQuote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Here are the tables from his time at Prenton Park.
I took this from the soccerbase website
1st Season
P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GF
Bolton 46 18 4 1 60 20 10 10 3 40 33 98 100
Barnsley 46 14 4 5 43 19 8 10 5 33 36 80 76
Wolves 46 10 5 8 31 24 12 5 6 37 27 76 68
Ipswich 46 13 7 3 44 23 7 7 9 24 27 74 68
Sheff Utd 46 13 5 5 46 23 7 8 8 29 29 73 75
C Palace 46 10 7 6 39 22 9 7 7 39 26 71 78
Portsmouth 46 12 4 7 32 24 8 4 11 27 29 68 59
Port Vale 46 9 9 5 36 28 8 7 8 22 27 67 58
QPR 46 10 5 8 33 25 8 7 8 31 35 66 64
Birmingham 46 11 7 5 30 18 6 8 9 22 30 66 52
Tranmere 46 10 9 4 42 27 7 5 11 21 29 65 63
Stoke 46 15 3 5 34 22 3 7 13 17 35 64 51
Norwich 46 9 10 4 28 18 8 2 13 35 50 63 63
Man City 46 12 4 7 34 25 5 6 12 25 35 61 59
Charlton 46 11 8 4 36 28 5 3 15 16 38 59 52
West Brom 46 7 7 9 37 33 7 8 8 31 39 57 68
Oxford 46 14 3 6 44 26 2 6 15 20 42 57 64
Reading 46 13 7 3 37 24 2 5 16 21 43 57 58
Swindon 46 11 6 6 36 27 4 3 16 16 44 54 52
Huddersfield 46 10 7 6 28 20 3 8 12 20 41 54 48
Bradford 46 10 5 8 29 32 2 7 14 18 40 48 47
Grimsby 46 7 7 9 31 34 4 6 13 29 47 46 60
Oldham 46 6 8 9 30 30 4 5 14 21 36 43 51
Southend 46 7 9 7 32 32 1 6 16 10 54 39 42
Second season
P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GF
Nottm Forest 46 18 2 3 52 20 10 8 5 30 22 94 82
Middlesbro 46 17 4 2 51 12 10 6 7 26 29 91 77
Sunderland 46 14 7 2 49 22 12 5 6 37 28 90 86
Charlton 46 17 5 1 48 17 9 5 9 32 32 88 80
Ipswich 46 14 5 4 47 20 9 9 5 30 23 83 77
Sheff Utd 46 16 5 2 44 20 3 12 8 25 34 74 69
Birmingham 46 10 8 5 27 15 9 9 5 33 20 74 60
Stockport 46 14 6 3 46 21 5 2 16 25 48 65 71
Wolves 46 13 6 4 42 25 5 5 13 15 28 65 57
West Brom 46 9 7 6 27 26 7 5 11 23 30 61 50
Crewe 46 10 2 11 30 34 8 3 12 28 31 59 58
Oxford 46 12 6 5 36 20 4 4 15 24 44 58 60
Bradford 46 10 9 4 26 23 4 6 13 20 36 57 46
Tranmere 46 9 8 6 34 26 5 6 12 20 31 56 54
Norwich 46 9 8 6 32 27 5 5 13 20 42 55 52
Huddersfield 46 9 5 9 28 28 5 6 12 22 44 53 50
Bury 46 7 10 6 22 22 4 9 10 20 36 52 42
Swindon 46 9 6 8 28 25 5 4 14 14 48 52 42
Port Vale 46 7 6 10 25 24 6 4 13 31 42 49 56
Portsmouth 46 8 6 9 28 30 5 4 14 23 33 49 51
QPR 46 8 9 6 28 21 2 10 11 23 42 49 51
Man City 46 6 6 11 28 26 6 6 11 28 31 48 56
Stoke 46 8 5 10 30 40 3 8 12 14 34 46 44
Reading 46 8 4 11 27 31 3 5 15 12 47 42 39
3rd season
P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GF
Sunderland 46 19 3 1 50 10 12 9 2 41 18 105 91
Bradford 46 15 4 4 48 20 11 5 7 34 27 87 82
Ipswich 46 16 1 6 37 15 10 7 6 32 17 86 69
Birmingham 46 12 7 4 32 15 11 5 7 34 22 81 66
Watford 46 12 8 3 30 19 9 6 8 35 37 77 65
Bolton 46 13 6 4 44 25 7 10 6 34 34 76 78
Wolves 46 11 10 2 37 19 8 6 9 27 24 73 64
Sheff Utd 46 12 6 5 42 29 6 7 10 29 37 67 71
Norwich 46 7 12 4 34 28 8 5 10 28 33 62 62
Huddersfield 46 11 9 3 38 23 4 7 12 24 48 61 62
Grimsby 46 11 6 6 25 18 6 4 13 15 34 61 40
West Brom 46 12 4 7 43 33 4 7 12 26 43 59 69
Barnsley 46 7 9 7 35 30 7 8 8 24 26 59 59
C Palace 46 11 10 2 43 26 3 6 14 15 45 58 58
Tranmere 46 8 7 8 37 30 4 13 6 26 31 56 63
Stockport 46 7 9 7 24 21 5 8 10 25 39 53 49
Swindon 46 7 8 8 40 44 6 3 14 19 37 50 59
Crewe 46 7 6 10 27 35 5 6 12 27 43 48 54
Portsmouth 46 10 5 8 34 26 1 9 13 23 47 47 57
QPR 46 9 7 7 34 22 3 4 16 18 39 47 52
Port Vale 46 10 3 10 22 28 3 5 15 23 47 47 45
Bury 46 9 7 7 24 27 1 10 12 11 33 47 35
Oxford 46 7 8 8 31 30 3 6 14 17 41 44 48
Bristol C 46 7 8 8 35 36 2 7 14 22 44 42 57
4th season
P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GD
Charlton 46 15 3 5 37 18 12 7 4 42 27 91 34
Man City 46 17 2 4 48 17 9 9 5 30 23 89 38
Ipswich 46 16 3 4 39 17 9 9 5 32 25 87 29
Barnsley 46 15 4 4 48 24 9 6 8 40 43 82 21
Birmingham 46 15 5 3 37 16 7 6 10 28 28 77 21
Bolton 46 14 5 4 43 26 7 8 8 26 24 76 19
Wolves 46 15 5 3 45 20 6 6 11 19 28 74 16
Huddersfield 46 14 5 4 43 21 7 6 10 19 28 74 13
Fulham 46 13 7 3 33 13 4 9 10 16 28 67 8
QPR 46 9 12 2 30 20 7 6 10 32 33 66 9
Blackburn 46 10 9 4 33 20 5 8 10 22 31 62 4
Norwich 46 11 6 6 26 22 3 9 11 19 28 57 -5
Tranmere 46 10 8 5 35 27 5 4 14 22 41 57 -11
Nottm Forest 46 9 10 4 29 18 5 4 14 24 37 56 -2
C Palace 46 7 11 5 33 26 6 4 13 24 41 54 -10
Sheff Utd 46 10 8 5 38 24 3 7 13 21 47 54 -12
Stockport 46 8 8 7 33 31 5 7 11 22 36 54 -12
Portsmouth 46 9 6 8 36 27 4 6 13 19 39 51 -11
Crewe 46 9 5 9 27 31 5 4 14 19 36 51 -21
Grimsby 46 10 8 5 27 25 3 4 16 14 42 51 -26
West Brom 46 6 11 6 25 26 4 8 11 18 34 49 -17
Walsall 46 7 6 10 26 34 4 7 12 26 43 46 -25
Port Vale 46 6 6 11 27 30 1 9 13 21 39 36 -21
Swindon 46 5 6 12 23 37 3 6 14 15 40 36 -39
5th season (last one, Sheedy was in charge for last few games)
P HW HD HL HGF HGA AW AD AL AGF AGA Points GD
Fulham 46 16 5 2 49 14 14 6 3 41 18 101 58
Blackburn 46 15 5 3 43 20 11 8 4 33 19 91 37
Bolton 46 10 10 3 40 28 14 5 4 36 17 87 31
Preston 46 12 6 5 32 18 11 3 9 32 34 78 12
Birmingham 46 14 3 6 34 22 9 6 8 25 26 78 11
West Brom 46 13 5 5 37 23 8 6 9 23 29 74 8
Burnley 46 14 5 4 30 17 7 4 12 20 37 72 -4
Milton Keynes 46 7 11 5 33 26 10 7 6 38 24 69 21
Watford 46 11 6 6 46 29 9 3 11 30 38 69 9
Sheff Utd 46 14 4 5 34 18 5 7 11 18 31 68 3
Nottm Forest 46 11 3 9 28 24 9 5 9 27 29 68 2
Wolves 46 7 9 7 25 20 7 4 12 20 28 55 -3
Gillingham 46 9 6 8 32 28 4 10 9 29 38 55 -5
Crewe 46 12 5 6 30 24 3 5 15 17 38 55 -15
Norwich 46 10 7 6 25 18 4 5 14 21 40 54 -12
Barnsley 46 11 3 9 32 26 4 6 13 17 36 54 -13
Sheff Wed 46 9 4 10 34 38 6 4 13 18 33 53 -19
Grimsby 46 10 4 9 26 27 4 6 13 17 35 52 -19
Stockport 46 6 11 6 29 26 5 7 11 29 39 51 -7
Portsmouth 46 9 8 6 31 25 1 11 11 16 34 49 -12
C Palace 46 6 6 11 28 34 6 7 10 29 36 49 -13
Huddersfield 46 7 6 10 29 26 4 9 10 19 31 48 -9
QPR 46 6 9 8 24 28 1 10 12 21 47 40 -30
Tranmere 46 8 7 8 30 33 1 4 18 16 44 38 -31
He had very little to work with in terms of money at Tranmere as once Johnstone (the chairman) left for Everton in 1994 all the money dried up.
What's Sheedy doing now?
ouch, just whacked my knee off my desk. It's jerking a lot today.
From soccerbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Wycombe P:255 W:87 (34%) L:97 (38%) D:71 (28%)
Tranmere P:268 W:93 (35%) L:97 (36%) D:78 (29%)
Amazingly similar records with Aldridge's coming at a higher level. :)
Not a good idea to use that phrase. Could be misread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Especially if you only cut & paste that part of what I wrote!Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Tks eirebhoy.
Cup runs? Both got to a FA Cup SF, or did Aldo "only" get to a QF? He did get to a Lge Cup Final though.
Billsthoughts, if you're watching, an example of stats actually being of use? :)
theres not a hope in hell that aldo will ever be offered the job - no one is going to run the risk of him singing lily the pink on the team coach after we win (?) a game
Aldo got to the quarters of the FA twice in two seasons... going out (only just) to Newcastle (1999/2000) and then Liverpool (2000/2001). Over those 2 seasons Tranmere's record in the FA Cup (in terms of matches won as a %)was only surpassed by Arsenal. In 1999/2000 Tranmere also got to the final of the League Cup (the last one to be played at Wembley) where, on going down to 10 men they went 1 down to Leicester. David Kelly then scored a memorable goal to make it 1-1 but sadly Matt Elliot scored another header to make it 2-1 to Martin O'Neills Leicester. As an interesting aside in goal for Tranmere that day was a very young Joe Murphy.
On these runs over the 2 years Aldo's Tranmere beat many Premier League teams including Coventry (5-1), Middlesbrough (who had the likes of Ziege and Juninho playing for them), Everton (3-0 away from home), Leeds (who were rampant in Europe at the time) and famously Southampton 4-3 after being 3-0 down at half time. Sam Allerdyce's Bolton (then in division one) were also put to the sword 4-1 on aggregate.
In the 1999/2000 season Tranmere also had, initially a good run of form in the League, however constant rearranging of fixtures and fatigue eventually told and the team finished mid table.
All of this was achieved with the adminstrators hovering over the club, no players were signed (except Wayne Allison, who couldnt play in the cups in 1999/2000) and much of the team was inexperienced youth players.
Aldo was able to bring out the best in these players and I am convinced he could do the same with our national team.
http://www.stigonline.com/eamon.mp3Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'd welcome an inanimate carbon rod at this point!Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
This may sound like a strange one but what about Kevin Keegan. Very passionate and has always done well in the first couple of years at his job. Granted he seems to lose the plot then but he cant be worse than 'the buck stops with me' Stan
Lads Aldo hasn't managed in five years. His track record is not great either. Say we sack Stan and pay him off (2mill). We pay his backroom staff off. We bring in Aldo on a similar wage. And he fails, and there is a good chance of that happening, what then?
And passion doesnt win you games on its own. Ireland conceded four against Holland, not beacause of a lack of passion, but primarily cause we were so badly organised. Ditto Cyprus. Running around like headless chickens will not win us games.
It's not as simple as that really. If we lose against the Czechs and Staunton stays on then our qualification hopes are over and 90% of people want Stan out. At a wild guess I couldn't see us getting more than 50k for our matches in Croker. If Stan was let go after tomorrow's match and we got a manager in that the public were happy with I could still see us getting full houses in Croker. We're talking about a difference of around €1m per match.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
Also I doubt Stan would have to be paid €2m. For a person so desperate to manage Ireland I'd say the FAI stuck quite a few clauses in that contract. :)
while i would love to see aldo get the job, - if the commitment is there for a prove 'world class" manager, then i'd settle for jose pekerman (argentinian coach from this past world cup. man has class, humility, and most of all, - proven track record.