Call to arms: White handkerchiefs.

I think its completely stupid to blame Delaney for EVERYTHING thats wrong with irish football. It just such an irish attitude to blame everyone else but yourselves, the people who are involved in the week-to-week running of it. Maybe perhaps we should blame the government also, somehow. Im sure this defeat and the state of irish football can be blamed on them as well.

The simple fact of the matter is that the irish senior team is a complete and utter shambles as a package. The players are as responsible for that as Delaney or Stan. We were player a complete pile of ****e of a team in Cyprus, a team we would have cast aside under McCarthy or (particularly) Charlton. Under McCarthy we did have a sticky game against them out there but we pulled through. It was suggested to me that Duff and McGeady were the only 2 players on the field. Duff is about 25% the player know that he was under Souness. Taking the opposition into account I thought he was shocking and has been for some time now. As for McGeady, ok I accept the fact that he has to be awesome cos he plays for Celtic but personally I think he the most overrated crock of sh1t I have ever seen (up there with liam miller). He never once went by a cypriot defender and actually messed up a strike to create the chance for the ireland goal (which the young lad took very well).

We all know that wed night is going to be tough both on add off the field. There might actually be some tension in the air in Lansdowne and the police might actually earn their money. However I dont see what this will achieve. I personally believe in supporting your team through thick and thin but dont expect the vast majority of fans to know any better. (This was suggested by an EL fan!!!!!)

As for the person who suggested that everyone walk out after kick-off. I for one wont be going you because the FAI dont care, they have their money for this game and san marino and also because real fans dont do that.

As a boss you have to be accountable. Stan is boss of the team and has failed miserably so far therefore should go before it gets worse. Delaney is the boss who appointed Stan therefore should take responsibility for his actions and go with him. It's pretty simple logic.

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As for McGeady, ok I accept the fact that he has to be awesome cos he plays for Celtic but personally I think he the most overrated crock of sh1t I have ever seen (up there with liam miller).

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What annoys me is that there are plenty of people (mainly from Cork) that want McGeady to fail. I'm pretty certain McGeady will be our star player before too long so I don't really care if people are writing him off. Seeing McGeady take every cross with his left foot made me realise that he's certainly not a winger. He takes all crosses with his right foot when playing on the left for Celtic. Instinct has him cutting inside at every opportunity and most of his assists are usually passes, not crosses. I thought he had a decent enough game on Saturday. He kept most things simple and didn't want to look greedy. Give him a few more caps and he'll be playing well.

Eirebhoy is right. McGeady is not a conventional winger. He plays on the left wing and is used to turning back on his right foot to cross or cut inside to shoot. It's difficult to swap over to the right side and find yourself playing in a new team with new and less able players.

If you play Mc Geady, then you need to compensate defensively in midfield. And if you play Mc Geady and Ireland in the same team .. then you need Makele playing in the centre and not a left winger/full back.

And that is not even the benefit of hindsight .. its fairly obvious to most people except it seems the man picking the team

I think people should go to the game and support the team.
at the end of the match make whatever form of protest they want.
but its still 3 points up for grabs and abusing what is obviously a team running on zero confidance from the start or from the first mistake would be self defeating. lets not turn a bad situation into a farce just so the herald can sell more papers.

The bottom line is Delany has given the job to Kerr and Staunton both have set us back in years, just look at what Matin Oneill has done with Villa a good manager makes average players good and good players great, O'neill virtually has the same team bar Petrov from last year when they struggled in the premiership. How come we don't here him going on about a transition period?
fairenough Delany hasn't picked the team but he did pick the man who did. Delany and Staunton should both stand down, Staunton jumped in the deep end with no experience at all apart from his time with Walsall, which he wasn't even managing. I still don't understand how a former defender can't at least have his team orgainised at the back...... MAYBE if Delany and his cronies take a pay cut we could actually get a quality manager with some experience instead of always going for the cheap option.:mad:

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I think people should go to the game and support the team.
at the end of the match make whatever form of protest they want.
but its still 3 points up for grabs and abusing what is obviously a team running on zero confidance from the start or from the first mistake would be self defeating. lets not turn a bad situation into a farce just so the herald can sell more papers.

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think this is very wize indeed...but i think after weds depending on how they respond (the team) and how stan and delaney react we should then start the ball rolling on something worthwhile...???

Peadar, osarusan - Try to ignore the actual person you're replying to and just reply to the post. If you want to talk personal then please exchange e-mails as it's bringing threads off topic.

eirebhoy, i think what you were sayin about mcgeady is fair enough - a few more caps and he'll be a good player. but we havnt got the luxury of time at the mo, so we need our current strongest 11 out there wednesday. and mcgeady aint one of them

I don't think it matters what eleven we put out, if there's no game plan.
I have to say i think McGeady is good enough, the young players did what was expected of them Ireland even scored for F*** sake what more can we ask it the senior players who let the team down, but again thats down to the management.... I dont know why we didnt just play with Carsley in the middle and one up front Morrison/Keane did f all.

I would say he is. I'd have him on the right, Duff on the left and 2 of Andy Reid, Steven Reid, Stephen Ireland, Miller or Douglas. You definately need a combative midfielder in there though si the Reid's would be preferable.

I rate Stephen Ireland and I think he's got great ability in both feet, however, he is probably going to be most effective sitting behind the 2 forwards in a 5 man midfield where we can have defensive players behind him. Like McGeady, attacking is his main stength so you have got to try and find a balance.

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eirebhoy, i think what you were sayin about mcgeady is fair enough - a few more caps and he'll be a good player. but we havnt got the luxury of time at the mo, so we need our current strongest 11 out there wednesday. and mcgeady aint one of them

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Well it's between him and A.Reid and tbh I wouldn't be too disappointed to see Reid play as I'm a fan of his. I thought McGeady played well on Saturday though and will only get better as he plays more and gains a bit of confidence.

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eirebhoy, i think what you were sayin about mcgeady is fair enough - a few more caps and he'll be a good player. but we havnt got the luxury of time at the mo, so we need our current strongest 11 out there wednesday. and mcgeady aint one of them

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I personally thought that McGeady looked lively on Saturday and his performance wa sthe only positive on the night. He is a much better option on the wing than either of the Reids, who are both better in the centre, and McGeady is improving all the time under Strachan who is making sure he does his fair share of defensive duties as well as attacking.

The best midfield that is available to us on Wednesday is Duff and McGeady on the wings and Douglas and Quinn in the middle.

McPhail has got to be in with a shout I can't believe he wasn't brought into the squad yet... Quinn is used a lot out on the wing alot at his club. I would like to have seen a five man midfield of

McGeady McPhail Ireland Carsley Duff

Keane

Good idea and Delaney should go......he appointed an inexperienced underqualified( he only has UEFA B Licence) novice to manage a national team. Then to cover up the deficiencies he appointed Robson ( who has an A Licence) to mentor him , to get round the legal niceties required by UEFA.
Problem was , the poor man's health problems meant he was unable to fulfill this role in more than 1 game. And in all the games where Robson was missing , except Germany, the Irish team have been abject and abysmal.