Rivaldo O'Shea Surely Time to Go

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I think it's been accepted that Reid's poor performance was down to being played out of position

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I understand this but in general he didn't even do the simple things well, his passing was very poor all night and his first touch was consistently shocking but O'Shea is targeted again even though he played relatively well...:confused:

When we needed O'Shea the most he went missing.
After spells of German pressure we needed someone in midfield to put their foot on the ball, string a few passes together and slow the game down a bit.
O'Shea didn't show for the ball enough to do this.
Maybe he's not confident enough playing centre mid for Ireland.
I think his future with Ireland lies at left back.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

I really can't believe the complete and utter ignorance of this post...It seems fairly obvious to me that you were either watching a different match or have absolutely no clue about football... O'Shea was one of the very few Irish players on the pitch that actually did a decent job of what they were asked to do. As the "holding midfielder" he is expected to disrupt the opposition attack when defending and look for the ball from the defence and spread the play when going forward, both of which he did quite well. His passing was simple and most of the time he found a teammate and spread the play nicely....what more do you want him to do?? Run the pitch, nutmeg Ballack and then score a 30 yard screamer???? :rolleyes:
As was mentioned before, O'Shea is an easy target for the average Irish supporter whose blinkered view of some players means they will criticise them no matter what (the treatment of Kilbane is the past is also a similar example of this)...OK so he didn't play as well in the second half but who, bar Dunne and Given, actually did?? I thought Steven Reid was very poor but he hasn't been targeted with any of the vitriol that has been aimed at O'Shea....why is this?????? It all makes me worry about the attitude of Irish supporters these days...

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O'Shea is consistently sh*te for Ireland and was s**te the other night. That's why I have created this thread. Not based on one cr*p performance. You might have watched the game the other night (which I doubt based on some of your observations) but you obviously haven't watched any of the other Ireland games that O'Shea has played in over the last 4-5 years.

I expect him to at least contribute in some positive way to the game. That's what the vast majority of midfielders are expected to do bar maybe Makele that I can think of and please don't compare him to O'Shea. O'Shea is useless. And he didn't keep Ballack or the rest of the German midfield quiet if you had watched the game.

You obviously haven't a breeze man. It's borderline funny you think you're making sense and you think you can slate people because you obviously have some knowledge we don't.

Here's the facts. O'Shea is consistently sh**e, Reid isn't. Even Kilbane has had a few decent games - remember France away? Probably not, you sound like you don't follow too many games. Answer this question to add some credibility to your claim that I attack O'Shea for no reason - name one good performance in a competitive game from him for Ireland?

Now go back to watching Andy Murray playing tennis or whatever you normally follow.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

O'Shea is consistently sh*te for Ireland and was s**te the other night. That's why I have created this thread. Not based on one cr*p performance. You might have watched the game the other night (which I doubt based on some of your observations) but you obviously haven't watched any of the other Ireland games that O'Shea has played in over the last 4-5 years.

I expect him to at least contribute in some positive way to the game. That's what the vast majority of midfielders are expected to do bar maybe Makele that I can think of and please don't compare him to O'Shea. O'Shea is useless. And he didn't keep Ballack or the rest of the German midfield quiet if you had watched the game.

You obviously haven't a breeze man. It's borderline funny you think you're making sense and you think you can slate people because you obviously have some knowledge we don't.

Here's the facts. O'Shea is consistently sh**e, Reid isn't. Even Kilbane has had a few decent games - remember France away? Probably not, you sound like you don't follow too many games. Answer this question to add some credibility to your claim that I attack O'Shea for no reason - name one good performance in a competitive game from him for Ireland?

Now go back to watching Andy Murray playing tennis or whatever you normally follow.

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blah blah blah O'Shea is useless....blah blah blah O'Shea is sh*te...blah blah blah resort to personal insults....:rolleyes:
Jaysus this post barely even deserves a response but here we go:

I never said or even intimated that O'Shea has been anywhere near consistently good for Ireland. On the contrary I'd agree with most in saying that he has been mediocre at best in previous games for us. My point is that he was one of the better performers for us on Saturday, kept it simple, spread the play and, along with Kilbane, nullified the thread of Ballack who was anonymous for the most-part (But you probably didn't notice this from the comfort of your barstool)...My point is that its guys like you that will never even acknowledge that he's played well due to some kind of personal vendetta against the guy which is bloody pathetic. I'd hazard a guess that you'd probably be one of the boo-boys in Lansdowne that gave Kilbane a hard time not so long ago...

Also,funnily enough I was actually at the game in Paris and the one over the weekend....were you??
And is it the fact that I can actually string together a coherent (you may need to use a dictionary for that one) sentence that means I would like tennis or have I missed the point your making there??? Or is there actually a point??? probably not...

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

My point is that its guys like you that will never even acknowledge that he's played well due to some kind of personal vendetta against the guy which is bloody pathetic.

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He didn't play well though so you have no point. What's more if you read any of the other posts you'd see that most people agree he didn't play well. Just because he might have played better than Kilbane (debatable) doesn't mean he played well.

The personal insults started in your post which you seem to have quickly forgotton just like you did with all of JOS's previous performances in an Ireland shirt.

Have you an Ireland shirt with O'Shea printed on the back and are taking it out on me?

Can you give it a rest Dr Ogba. you go to a couple of away games a year. big deal. hardly makes you the worlds number one fan.so stop tryin to claim some moral superiority over anyone else. its usually the same people who cry if some eircom league fan comes on and questions their commitment.sad.

I agree there is some lazy slagging by some people of O Shea. This is not reserved for peope who do or dont travel to games. i was at the game on Sat and there was a guy giving O Shea loads of abuse throughout the whole game. At one point O Shea received a ball at neck height from Carr and was disposses and the guy berated O Shea. So there are instances where clueless fools jump on the bandwagon and slag O Shea. What I would say is that there would be no bandwagon if O Shea put in good performances for Ireland.

I though on Saturday he was better than Kilbane and Reid in the first half. He did keep it simple and did not lose possession too much. Something that Kilbane does again and again. I think Kilbanes all action style means some people think he offers more than O Shea. But if we wanna get results away from home there is no point in having Kilbane anywhere near our midfield. The future of O Shea is unsure too at midfield in my view. What needs to happen is that Stephen Reid is playing centrally and that Carsley is called back into the squad along with Andy Reid and play 2 out of these 3 centrally along with Duff and McGeady on the wings.

i dont recall such confusion about a performance when Roy played in the middle. its apparent to all when someones performance is that good. if there's debate,then its not that strong a showing. We should have high expectations of o'shea and he neverl comes through. Ronnie O'Brien is playing well in the states, and is better than kilbane. Anyone else ever seen him playing?

Yeah, better than Kilbane alright, he's definitely worth at least a tryout in a friendly!

"Ronnie O'Brien is playing well in the states, and is better than kilbane. Anyone else ever seen him playing?"

eh :rolleyes: and :D

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

Can you give it a rest Dr Ogba. you go to a couple of away games a year. big deal. hardly makes you the worlds number one fan.so stop tryin to claim some moral superiority over anyone else. its usually the same people who cry if some eircom league fan comes on and questions their commitment.sad.

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Wasn't claiming anything of the sort mate, just answering his remarks about seeing both games...read the posts again

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Originally Posted by youngirish

He didn't play well though so you have no point. What's more if you read any of the other posts you'd see that most people agree he didn't play well. Just because he might have played better than Kilbane (debatable) doesn't mean he played well.

The personal insults started in your post which you seem to have quickly forgotton just like you did with all of JOS's previous performances in an Ireland shirt.

Have you an Ireland shirt with O'Shea printed on the back and are taking it out on me?

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Nope, not O'Shea's biggest fan actually, just feel that some people don't give credit where credit is due because of who he is. He was far better and more effective than Reid on the night (nothing against Reid but just using him as an example) yet gets slated again...

I'm thinkin we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one...

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

(But you probably didn't notice this from the comfort of your barstoolAlso,funnily enough I was actually at the game in Paris and the one over the weekend....were you??

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please see above.
mate.;)