Premiershi* Coverage Newstalk106

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Originally Posted by Passive

For someone who spends most of his waking hours banging on about the "establishment media", you seem to know a lot about it ;)

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It's 'cos I own most of it son.

Yours in Sport,
Sir AJF O'Reilly

KOH

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

For someone who spends most of his waking hours banging on about the use of the word Shams I have one question - WTF is RTEngland?

KOH

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All I can say thank fcuk for TV3. Even if coverage is on at an impossible hour at least its a dedicated EL programme something rtengland have never managed.

But if what you're saying is true, and there's always a first time:D , then I will gladly drop the england part!!


KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

But if what you're saying is true, and there's always a first time:D , then I will gladly drop the england part!!

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Done!

KOH

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Originally Posted by placid casual

that would one ken earley.
self-styled guru of european football and all round knob jockey

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He has bad a radio career out of reading that days newspapers & websites. :rolleyes:

Gilroy used to be ok but something changed & he smug & annoying now.

Now that he's in bed with the GAA...

Gilroy doesn't wouldn't know that much about any sport but he's a damn good presenter (particularly on radio - can't really judge him on tv yet as I couldn't watch that Soccer AM GAA rip off thingy)

I have to agree with the comment about their Monday night and midweek matches. I mean nobody but nobody in this country gives a rat's ass about Bolton V Charlton Athletic or Fulham V Middlesbro for that matter. Doesn't stop Newstalk106 relaying BBC Radio 5's coverage of those games though, and that is pure laziness.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

I have to agree with the comment about their Monday night and midweek matches. I mean nobody but nobody in this country gives a rat's ass about Bolton V Charlton Athletic or Fulham V Middlesbro for that matter. Doesn't stop Newstalk106 relaying BBC Radio 5's coverage of those games though, and that is pure laziness.

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Its more than likely part of their contract.

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Originally Posted by Passive

For someone who spends most of his waking hours banging on about the "establishment media", you seem to know a lot about it ;)

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Oh good - the print and broadcast media are gonna have a pop at each other. Get the Herald to cover it - and we all know who I have in mind to write the story! ;)

Back on topic, in fairness to Newstalk, they are still covering eL games to the best of their ability given that they can't do live commentary. Or at least they were earlier this season - I got nabbed for a post-match interview in relation to Pats For Richmond.

Bear in mind that Newstalk's share of total radio listenership in Dublin is still pretty small, apart from their big hitters like Hook and Dunphy while he was still there. Even then, I think it's <10% of ALL listened-yesterday adults, which is one of the basic measures before you get into the niceties of ABC1s and so on. Given that listenership figures for for radio stations nosedive anyway after teatime, that leaves them with a small "share of voice" of a tiny pool.

Then add in the fact that LoI fans are a small minority of the wider universe of sports fans, which is who they're obviously targetting in the evenings and you're left with a small minority of interested listeners to a station with a small share of voice of a small pool.

The fact that they bother even mentioning the LoI at all is a credit to them.

If you wanna give out about radio coverage of the LoI, whether in Dublin or nationally, there are much bigger fish to fry. For example, the likes of 98FM and FM104 - their apathy, mixed with occasional tabloid-hysteria coverage on the late-night dial-a-moron shows, is far far worse.

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Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

the late-night dial-a-moron shows

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:D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub

Oh good - the print and broadcast media are gonna have a pop at each other. Get the Herald to cover it - and we all know who I have in mind to write the story! ;)

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Oi, mind your own! ;)

Good post though, I'm always amazed at people knocking any small attempt to help the league - Bray's new stand, Newstalk's coverage, RTÉ's coverage etc.

For instance, how many of the RTÉ knockers listen to Con Murphy's show on Friday nights? Sod all I'd imagine as they're at games themselves. I got a taxi to Tolka recently and the Cork City supporting driver was listening to RTÉ Radio One's coverage - they had a reporter in every ground. The taxi driver described it as as Godsend.

And anyway in relation to Newstalk's Premiership coverage , I like to listen to live football on the radio. Even if it's Charlton v Blackburn on a Monday night. I like football you see. Mad, isn't it?

KOH

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

And anyway in relation to Newstalk's Premiership coverage , I like to listen to live football on the radio. Even if it's Charlton v Blackburn on a Monday night. I like football you see. Mad, isn't it?

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I think you in the minority. Newstalk are usually just replaying the coverage on BBC 5 live which some people can pick up themselves on LW anyway.

IMO its too easy for them to fill their schedule with that dross than have interviews & contributers like the rest of the week.

I would be surprised if part of their contract as they pick & choose sunday games especially when Dublin GAA game on earlier so they'll then only replay the 4pm game commentary.

I think Newstalk only have 5 live extra as their providor (not the main 5 live broadcast) as main channell dips in and out where as 5 live extra sticks with one game. Could be wrong but has been tht way for my 2 games listening (stoopid gambling...)

i listen to it al lot and last season

weekday fixtures would be fed from BBC Five Live - the nighttime games on a monday and tuesday and so on

and weekend games would be fed from a totally diff station which advertised a hotmail address were listners in "eire" could get in touch

the only problem with newstalk is the kerryman jerry o sullivan -the humour is real college blokes in the college bar level, can grate at times - but for interviews etc etc they are untouchable

I think criticisms of RTE are valid. Unlike Newstalk - a commercial station - RTE is a public service broadcaster and, as such, has a duty to cover events of a national interest even if they do not make them money. RTE's problem is that they claim they are a public service broadcaster but - aside from programmes like Nationwide - act like a commercial station. It's tough for them because they are under commercial pressures but if they are a public service broadcaster they have a duty to cover items such as the EL. To date, they have failed, and failed utterly.

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Originally Posted by Passive

I think criticisms of RTE are valid. Unlike Newstalk - a commercial station - RTE is a public service broadcaster and, as such, has a duty to cover events of a national interest even if they do not make them money. RTE's problem is that they claim they are a public service broadcaster but - aside from programmes like Nationwide - act like a commercial station. It's tough for them because they are under commercial pressures but if they are a public service broadcaster they have a duty to cover items such as the EL. To date, they have failed, and failed utterly.

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Exactly.

While their live coverage of games is excellent they never bothered with any highlights show ever. When we won the league in 94 they turned up for less than half the games:rolleyes:

No other senior domestic league in the world was ignored by their national station to this extent. Especially when you saw how every league game up north was shown.

Coupled with the fact that some of the commentators are laughingly bad it just shows that they treat the league like most people treat dummy: like a joke.

If these "massive changes" are more live games that is not the solution.


KOH

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Originally Posted by pete

I think you in the minority. Newstalk are usually just replaying the coverage on BBC 5 live which some people can pick up themselves on LW anyway.

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Just proves my point about lack of knowledge re broadcasting. Newstalk buy the secondary rights from a crowd called Premiership Plus (or something along those lines) who in turn have the secondary rights from 5 Live - hence the 5 Live feed and the cutting away from it when their coverage leaves the live football. Pretty much as wws said.

Passive - Absolute nonsense about RTÉ's public service broadcasting - 11 new factual series this autumn, 7 new Lifestyle series, 3 new dramas, best news and current affairs coverage in the country, tons and tons free-to-air sport (have a look at what the Beeb have for a comparision)

I'm sure there's a copy of our Autumn Brochure in your office or log on to our press site before you start toeing the INM party line.

KOH

What about Passive's last line in his post?


KOH

WAR, I think most of the criticism RTE gets is ridiculous. I'm very pro-RTE, for obvious reasons. Maybe what I said was harsh in terms of them failing their duty as a public service broadcaster. They do live up to this role in certain areas. However, the one area where I feel they do deserve criticism is their total disregard for domestic football. They have never made an effort to promote football here, whereas they make every effort to satisfy the market's demand for the EPL. By all means satisfy the market's demand, but balance it with coverage of domestic sport.

And arguing for coverage of the EL is hardly the INM party line!

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

What about Passive's last line in his post?


KOH

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Don't disagree with it at all. What do you think I spend my time doing if not arguing for more and better eL coverage? Oh, and the odd bit of work too.

Passive - I see what your saying re the EPL but there's a philosophical discussion to be had over what constitutes PSB. A discussion that RTÉ are afraid to have but really should do. I would argue that the Eircom League, The Sopranos, the World Cup etc are all PSB. The EPL is another matter altogether.

With RTE you get the good & the bad.

RTE Radio 1 friday nights is the best coverage of any broadcaster on tv, radio or newspaper.

RTE Tv coverage is good sometimes but then poor on other occasions. Still seems like they only going it because they have to & the combination of commentators & pundits is very poor. FFS they couldn't pick a worse pundit than Roddy. If you make constructive criticism of RTE the only response you get is "sure what else can you expect..." type excuse.

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