Do you want to be OK? I can't see a huge improvement in the squad ahead of next year - still going to have a small budget, etc. Surely it'd do the club more harm than good to have another season like this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
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Do you want to be OK? I can't see a huge improvement in the squad ahead of next year - still going to have a small budget, etc. Surely it'd do the club more harm than good to have another season like this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
"Off the pitch we are implementing a sound youth policy plus the RSC will be a 3000 seater ground complete with training facilities, toilets, disabled access, Club offices, turnstiles and media boxes."
When are ye planning to do up the ground?
Was talking to a member of the MC and the work on the ground and the new stand is due to start now very shortly,sometime in august and to be finished around mid october maybe early november and all will be in place for the start of the 2007 season.
And your right too, having the CEO of the FAI as 1 of your biggest supporters does have its benefits and will continue to do so, John was the at the fundraiser up in Kilcohan greyhound stadium last saturday week and has always helped us with our own fundraisers too. :p
This season has been wrote off already for sure and as far as i know the club is hanging onto a surplus funds that may come their way for the start of the new season next year and rightly so,painful now on field but worth it longterm with the new structures in place with scholarships and the the junior and senior leagues and schoolboys in waterford coming on board, my hats off to all the lads on the MC who have done a terrific job and also financially stabalised the club to secure its future here in waterford.
You had a rough season last year, going 5 months without a win at one stage, only to scrape up a few places at the end of the season. This year, unless you turn it around in similiar fashion, is going to be a total disaster, and that record is also going to be a factor. As for the catchment area, you have always had it, being the only LOI club in the region. But it hasn't made much difference, has it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
Waterford should be ok, but I don't think you can afford to w/o the season just yet. There are points to play for, and a record to improve on, to ensure your place for next year's big league.
You're spot on with our recent record, but there was a concious decision made to cut our cloth according to our measure. If that means a well run, solvent club with a good underage structure for bringing through people, then first division football might be an initial consequence of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
As a fan - I'd rather see us in that situation than in the situation that Rovers found themselves in last year - i'm sure you can appreciate that sometimes hard choices need to be made - and lurching from one crisis to the next, sacrificing any development prospect just to stay in the Premier is not where I'd like to see the club go.
In terms of attracting a crowd - doing well in the first division is sometimes an easier sell than doing badly in the premier, albeit without any away supporters. Regarding the catchment area, Kilkenny City is a nearby LOI club, and traditionally we don't get much support from Wexford - some of the people involved in football there, for whatever reasons, are not Waterford fans at all.
At the end of the day, you have to remember as well that players walked away from the club last year to join first division outfits - nothing against any other clubs, but you have to question the situation where a first team player that is born and bred in Waterford, with a job in the city, leaves the club to drop down a division with another club an hour and a half drive away.
When the refurbishment of the RSC is finished, and the WIT scholarship scheme up and running, I think we'll see a better future for the club - even if you look at the number of players that have been at Waterford and are now at other Premier clubs, all it takes is for Waterford to hang on to 50% of them and the club would probably be comfortably mid table. Aside from players like Michael Devine, Dan Connor, Gary O'Neill, Neil Fenn, (not from Waterford), there are also players around such as Alan Reynolds (now back of course), John Frost, Jim Goodwin (with relegation strugglers S****horpe in League One), Shane Robinson and Alan Kirby, who are all from Waterford originally. If the club can hang on to these players in the future - like it seems they are doing with Mitchell Casey - then there's a bright outlook.
In the short term though - it's not so good I agree.
Sniffer's neutral musings on the Shels v Waterford game are here
Sligo Rovers have been suffering in the First Division for years.
this was because of bad managers but also because we were building fo rthe future....The New Stand,a youth set up with U16,and U18 aswell as the 21s.
the new astro pitch and the new boundry wall aswell.
last year we took a risk in putting money in for players and wages and it payed off.in teh Premier we are seeing the benifits of this work with young stars like Curran,McCarthney and now Bellew coming through.
Waterfors are now set to do the same but ye have to be patient before you reap the rewards.all the best to waterford.
What exactly is being done with the rsc,new stand?
This may sound a bit harsh.... but if waterford finishes the season with less than 6 points........ should there be any way they stay up?Quote:
Originally Posted by DvB
off the pitch foundation building is essential....but.....
KOH
I don't think their on or off pitch performance has been good enough to warrent a place in the premier next season bar this talk of a new stand.
In fairness, Rovers fans, you guys have been the ones trumpeting how teams like Waterford should be allowed in in place of teams like Dublin City.
As for results - I'll be the first to admit that this season is a disaster on the pitch so far, but over the last five years, Waterford have finished ahead of Rovers every year bar the last of the winter seasons 02/03 - so on that basis why don't we deserve a place?
BTW, not having a go at Rovers here, just pointing out that recent results can distort how people view teams - Derry City were in a playoff in 2003 - how many people outside the northwest remember that now though?
What has become of us when we're insisting on the right of our club to stay up on the basis of the performance of the last 5 seasons? (btw, the FAI are only using the last 4)
Fine, last 4 - saves us having to consider our season in the First division. I'm just making the point that one bad season doesn't mean a club should be discarded when it comes to setting up this new superleague or whatever it is - personally I think that it's going to be a bit of a farce as I don't think that the off-pitch criteria will be strict enough to properly sort out the league, and I suspect that the criteria will be massaged to suit the clubs that the FAI wants to have in the top division.
As a matter of interest - and I know I should know this - how many teams will there be in the new top division - if it's 10 then I don't see any way Waterford will make the cut at present.
edit** Poor Student, I didn't mean to suggest that Waterford have any sort of right to a place in the new division -if they get it fine, if not then at least we're finally going in the right direction.
Sorry Bigmac, that's fair enough. The new Premier League will consist of 12 to be cut to 10 the next season.
Well as far as the final ten goes - it's fair to say that Shels, Bohs, Pats, Cork, Derry and Drogheda are definites - I can't see Longford not getting a place on the back of their cup wins - after that there are 3 places up for grabs with UCD, Bray, Rovers, Sligo and Waterford probably towards the front of the chase group in whatever order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Will the whittling down be solely on the pitch - i.e. 3 relegated and one promoted? - if so, then to get into the final 10 it might be easier to not make the 12 and get promoted than to finish in the top 9 of a 12 team league.
Sorry, the proposals actually say it will be reduced to 10 in 2009. 3 relegation spots and one promotion at the end of 2008.
http://www.fai.ie/merger/pdf/eircomLeague-proposals.pdf
personally, i would'nt be sure about us, but then you forgot to include galway in your list of teams vying for one of those final four places so it makes little difference
Mainly because they're hardly setting the first division alight - they're off-pitch structures are excellent though as far as I'm aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkey magic
I can't include everyone - but I would suspect that at present the ones I did mention are all ahead of Galway in the pecking order.
with a 4th a 6th and a 5th place over the last few years, as well as 2 FAI Cups and a league cup - I'd consider longford to be fairly certain of their spot. What is it that makes you doubtful?
To be honest, a club can finish anywhere in the Premier this year and be relegated/promoted. The formula has been laid down and this season makes up only a fraction of the criteria. I don't think they're going to say "Ah well, Galway did crap this year, but they are top of all the other criteria and come tenth but we can't promote them" (this example is purely hypothetical). Whatever about the fairness and objectiveness of the off field criteria, there's a rigid enough ranking system in place.
Maybe Limerick or Dundalk as well? To be fair, I can't see how the team topping the first division will be denied a place, and possibly the same for second placed team.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac