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08/07/2006, 11:37 AM
the 12 th man

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

, then it is in their interests to fully co-operate with any investigation that either brings the wrongdoing out in the open or proves there is nothing shady going on. I wouldn't think Betfair would welcome any adverse publicity.

This is where the case against the accused will either be proved or not.The "suspect losing bets" will have left a paper trail in the Betfair computers that I'm sure the Authorities will have access to bearing in mind the gravity of the charges.The HRA must feel they can link the bets with the accused or else they've made the biggest ****-up in the disciplinary history of the sport.

It beggars belief that K F would be involved in this considering the amount(s) of money he makes out of the sport.
08/07/2006, 11:46 AM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by the 12 th man

It beggars belief that K F would be involved in this considering the amount(s) of money he makes out of the sport.

Fallon has a record of being involved in incidents which for a guy with his money makes you wonder if he gets a 'buzz' out of these things. For a family man at the top of his extremely well paid profession it is very sad.
08/07/2006, 12:22 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

If people shy away from exchanges because of publicity which suggests everything may not be above board, then it is in their interests to fully co-operate with any investigation that either brings the wrongdoing out in the open or proves there is nothing shady going on. I wouldn't think Betfair would welcome any adverse publicity.

On the contrary, events such as this bring Betfair out of the world of 'puntertalk' and in to the mainstream. You get people starting conversations about 'this thing Betfair' who would never ever talk about either sport or betting at any other time. The brand awareness created here is an incalculable boon to them.

Betfair have often been known to instigate their own publicity by casting themselves as rejected valiant white knights in weeding out corrupt betting patterns. An example was a few weeks ago when they 'revealed' that the GAA (and possibly the FAI) had declined to sign a Memorandum of Understanding, which is basically an agreement to share information about suspicious betting behaviour.

The GAA saw it for what it was - an attempt to ligitmize themselves in the mainstream by getting the endorsement of a body as influential as the GAA.

Betfair simply cant get bad publicity, because they will always say they are nothing but facilitators - the outcomes of the events they facilitate trading on are irrelevant to them.
08/07/2006, 12:32 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

Fallon has a record of being involved in incidents which for a guy with his money makes you wonder if he gets a 'buzz' out of these things. For a family man at the top of his extremely well paid profession it is very sad.

He was suspended for three weeks for losing a race he apparently had in the bag when on an 8/11 favourite at Linfield in 2004. That was the only results affecting incident in fairness.
08/07/2006, 3:58 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by el punter

He was suspended for three weeks for losing a race he apparently had in the bag when on an 8/11 favourite at Linfield in 2004. That was the only results affecting incident in fairness.

I was referring mainly to off track incidents
13/07/2006, 6:07 PM
DotTV

John Francome said the other day that six races a year are fixed.
The next day Michael Hills, Richard Hills and Kevin Darley wrote a joint letter to the Racing Post saying that they had never been in a fixed race or had never been approached to hold back a horse.
I find that hard to believe and think Francome was being nice with his "six" races.

Its a pain in the ass that Fallon is banned.before this if you saw him coming back to Ireland for a few rides you knew they had a decent chance of winning.Now he's racing in every meeting it rules out that little advantage
13/07/2006, 8:56 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by DotTV

Its a pain in the ass that Fallon is banned.before this if you saw him coming back to Ireland for a few rides you knew they had a decent chance of winning.Now he's racing in every meeting it rules out that little advantage

Glad you're seeing the big picture on this
28/07/2006, 12:05 PM
joeSoap

His appeal against his ban failed....he is now, as they say..."screwed"..
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30/07/2006, 10:30 AM
CollegeTillIDie

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Fallon has just been banned from riding in Britain until the outcome of any trial.

Gulity until proven otherwise....:rolleyes: :confused:

Hence my earlier British Justice comment. Another verdict from the people who brought us the Birmingham 6, The Guildford 4 etc. And people are curious why Irish people like England to lose at sports? :rolleyes:
If he turns out to be guilty, throw the whole library never mind the book at him. But give him due process first!
30/07/2006, 11:59 AM
pete

Like i said before if someone in any other profession was in a similar position they would also be suspended before prosecuted. Its like when an accused person is denied bail dispite not being found guilty yet. This anti english rubbish is tiring.
30/07/2006, 12:50 PM
CollegeTillIDie

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Originally Posted by pete

Like i said before if someone in any other profession was in a similar position they would also be suspended before prosecuted. Its like when an accused person is denied bail dispite not being found guilty yet. This anti english rubbish is tiring.

Ok Pete what about the fact that the trial doesn't come up for 1 year?
Justice delayed is justice denied!
30/07/2006, 1:15 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Ok Pete what about the fact that the trial doesn't come up for 1 year?
Justice delayed is justice denied!

Same thing when someone locked up in jail a year before a trial. Clearly a judge saw enough evidence to suggest a very strong case. What about the other people suspended?
01/08/2006, 2:49 PM
bennocelt

if you know horse racing then you shopuld know that its has always been dodgy
dodgy results.....dodgy jockeys......dodgy favourties and prices
its part and parcel of horse racing

i think it is an anti irish thing
just today watching "glorious goodwood" (sic).........seen 2 frankie detorri winners in a total mismatch of races.....now that was dodgy and all on tv

so i think they have a cheek to accuse fallon of fixing races
01/08/2006, 2:58 PM
Dodge

Its not an anti Irish thing. The dodgiest blokes in racing are Irish. FACT!

Oh and if Dettori won the two races, does that make racing Pro Italian?
01/08/2006, 5:44 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Its not an anti Irish thing. The dodgiest blokes in racing are Irish. FACT!

Oh and if Dettori won the two races, does that make racing Pro Italian?

well yeah i guess it isnt so much anti irish as maybe a deep seated jealousy .......that maybe ...just maybe....english racing would be diddly squat with out the irish .....our horses are better.....our jockeys are better......and now even our festivals are more competitive

and are ye guys seriousy telling me that the english jockeys are squeaky clean and honest!!!
03/08/2006, 1:01 PM
joeSoap

The whole Betfair thing to me is wrong. Its a flawed concept totally open to corruption. Betting on something to lose?? That's got to be much easier than betting on something to win.
03/08/2006, 1:37 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

The whole Betfair thing to me is wrong. Its a flawed concept totally open to corruption. Betting on something to lose?? That's got to be much easier than betting on something to win.

And the prices reflect that. Betting on a horse that 100/1 to win gives you odds of 1/100. easier yeah but you need big bucks to make it pay. Worse case I've seen is an English guy who laid Hi Cloy last December when Roger Loughran thought he had won on Central House. He laid GB�70,000 to win �70. OUCH!!!
03/08/2006, 7:56 PM
bennocelt

Gemini Lucy today in galway was as good as anything i have seen all week
i mention it as today in a british paper some ***** was making the point that the galway races were basically s hi te....an excuse for paddies to get drunk..........wait till we see that baby clean up in cheltenham
also he laughed that Aidan o brien didnt get any winners yesterday in goodwood........well he fuc king got a beauty today......arogant english wa nker
03/08/2006, 8:19 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

The whole Betfair thing to me is wrong. Its a flawed concept totally open to corruption. Betting on something to lose?? That's got to be much easier than betting on something to win.

That's exactly what bookmakers have always done. Everytime you back something to win, the person taking the bet is backing it to lose. It's nothing new really.
03/08/2006, 8:20 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by Dodge

The dodgiest blokes in racing are Irish. FACT!

Maybe I'm missing your sense of humour here Dodge, but you're smarter than that.

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