Liam Brady Article in Sunday Tribune

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I am going to be pedantic here but that is not the full quote.

What Dunphy said was that Roy keane is right about everything and then said in this instance. Now He said the first bit very loudly and the 2nd bit was quieter.

I agree Dunphy does have his tongue somewhere close to a posterior in Glasgow. However the story last week in the Mirror was a non story.

In addition I do think that Brady is over the top in relation to Keane and during the heated argument with Dunphy he got many facts wrong esp the one regarding Keanes clause at Nottingham Forest. I am not apoligist for Keane or Dunphy but I do try to see things from both sides.

I do think your reference to Keane as traitor kind of rules you out of that equation.

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Yes you are pedantic there but you see where I'm going regarding dummy. Putting it simply no matter what traitor does dummy will excuse it.

Again I'll have to take your word re Liam's debate with dummy.

Your last line could not be more wrong. I always see both sides of any argument. I'm not as blinkered as dummy.

As an aside dummy used to write in the tribune in the 80s constantly slagging off Brady. Until the day Brady decked him in the team hotel. Ever since then the look of reverence on dummy's face when Brady is talking is a sight to behold:D

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Yes you are pedantic there but you see where I'm going regarding dummy. Putting it simply no matter what traitor does dummy will excuse it.

Again I'll have to take your word re Liam's debate with dummy.

Your last line could not be more wrong. I always see both sides of any argument. I'm not as blinkered as dummy.

As an aside dummy used to write in the tribune in the 80s constantly slagging off Brady. Until the day Brady decked him in the team hotel. Ever since then the look of reverence on dummy's face when Brady is talking is a sight to behold:D

KOH

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I agree with you regarding Dunphy he would defend anything that Keane does, I am sure Keane woud not defend himself as much as Dunphy does. however its clear you have not seen Brady on either the Premiership or Champions League programe where he drops down to Dunphys level in my view when the issue of Roy Keane comes up. Giles is the only one that stays sane on this issue in that studio.

Last time I heard Brady talking about Keane, he was proposing him as the next Irish Manager :eek:

No one and I mean no one stoops as low as Dunphy.

Yes a great shame that Brady in his prime didn't play in a major championship but there are a whole host of great Irish soccer players in a similar boat. He was injured for Euro 88 and was off the pace by the time Italia 90 came round (as well as being out of favour with Jack).

The context of Brady recommending Keane for the Ireland job was as such.

He felt that If keane thought he was god almighty and he was the only one who was professional and that the FAI were full of yes men well then he should go and take the job and put his money where his mouth was. Bradys recommendation of Keane as Ireland manager was done out of a vendetta against keane and for no other reason as far as I could see. THat is not to say that he is not right in his dislike of keane.

who cares what any of these millionaires think of each other.its not hello magazine!
brady and keane were great players. end of story.
dunphy and Kenny are broadcasting legends. or the inspirations for them anyhows...:D

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Originally Posted by klein4

who cares what any of these millionaires think of each other.!
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To answer your question Owls Fan, Neil Mc D and NY Hoops so far.

I read the BradyTribune article whilst stuck in traffic south of Gorey. Could have read the NYTimes as well with time to spare. There was also a tribute piece from Trappatoni (to Trappatoni). AFAIR something to the effect of 'we won a penalty, if we scored we get the title, all eyes turned to me (el duce) I indicated that Liam was to take it, there were gasps all around italy, etc.
What happened was, ref awards penalty, Liam grabs the ball, all eyes glued on Liam.
It was interesting to read Liam's honest self-assessment of his time as manager of Celtic.

yeah that was bit i was looking for but didnt seem to be on tribune website.
its really what he is known in italy for.

After Trappatoni applauded himself he was generous in his praise of Brady. This is the standard of professionalism and national duty that Brady is coming from when he is trenchant on Keane. If he gets carried away I'll forgive him.

Is that not double standard there, in that people are willing to forgive Brady for getting carried away but are not so forgiving of Dunphy for getting carried away. My view is that they are both as bad as each other on this issue in that they allow their emotions cloud their judgement. Giles is the only one of the panel with a reasonable view when the issue of Roy Keane comes up.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Is that not double standard there, in that people are willing to forgive Brady for getting carried away but are not so forgiving of Dunphy for getting carried away. My view is that they are both as bad as each other on this issue in that they allow their emotions cloud their judgement. Giles is the only one of the panel with a reasonable view when the issue of Roy Keane comes up.

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But as has been pointed repeatedly he doesnt get as carried away as dummy does. Brady recognised that traitor is a super player but let down his country. Dummy thinks the sun shines out of traitors arse and can do NO wrong. Crucial difference.

KOH

Thats not true, Dunphy has slagged keane for going to Celtic and he also gave out about his performances a few times for Utd on the Premieship. I still think he is over the top in his praise for Keane but I would not say its correct to say he can do no wrong.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Is that not double standard there, in that people are willing to forgive Brady for getting carried away but are not so forgiving of Dunphy for getting carried away. My view is that they are both as bad as each other on this issue in that they allow their emotions cloud their judgement. Giles is the only one of the panel with a reasonable view when the issue of Roy Keane comes up.

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You cannot justifiably say one is as bad as the other. Brady has a view but it doesn't dominate his life nor does he launch scathing and personal attacks on anyone that has a divergent view.

I can do no more than cut and paste this article:
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http://www.opinioneight.com/

Empty vessels …..

Filed under: General— site admin @ 11:31 pm
Some times the smallest of minds appear to have the biggest, loudest and foulest of mouths.

A couple of nights ago I tuned in to watch the Manchester United Champions League football match against Villareal, and during the pre match period I expected to get the usually incisive analysis by two of our greatest footballers Johnny Giles and Liam Brady, mixed with some mildly amusing and abrasive comments by one of the dimmer of our sporting stars, Eamonn Dunphy.

I was set up for a good night of football and football punditry. Of course the minute the RTE anchor, Bill O’Herlihy raised the subject of Roy Keane’s departure I suspected that there would be some sparks flying and we really got a doozy performance. Brady and Giles did their best to stick to a balanced assessment of Keane’s on-pitch brilliance against his abominable behaviour off the pitch. But with each passing syllable Dunphy’s frustration built to a fever pitch of spitting rage aimed at the rest of the panel as well as anyone mentioned in the conversation. It was compulsive viewing, despite it’s pathetic nature.

Dunphy’s personality and presence stood out like a boil on a baby’s bottom in the presence of such greats as Giles and Brady, and his spitting attack on another of our great sportsmen, Niall Quinn, was just another of the lowlights that will be remembered when this dim star in the Irish firmament is long gone. Quinn’s achievements in professional and international football stand in stark contrast with Dunphy’s brief and over rated flash in the pan achievements at the fringes of the big game and Quinn’s skill, personal character and generosity of spirit and pocket stand out starkly in contrast with Dunphy’s almost complete lack in all three capacities.

The funniest moment came when Dunphy lashed out at a British reporter Rod Liddle who had dared to suggest that Dunphy’s bosom buddy Keane should have been banned from football for life by now. He referred to Liddle as a second rate gutter journalist which of course is riotously funny considering Dunphy’s own standing in the hierarchy of journalists. Of course this kind of behaviour came as no surprise considering Dunphy’s close personal and financial relationship with Keane over the years. Dunphy struts the screen at every opportunity like Keane’s poodle with a rottweiler snarl at anyone daring to make even the smallest of criticism of his ‘friend’.

While Quinn, Giles and Brady rose to the highest levels of the professional game while maintaining the highest levels of professionalism, personal character and loyalty, Dunphy’s bosom buddy Keane has been the very antithesis of these great sportsmen. Quinn’s loyalty stands in desolate contrast to Keane’s betrayal of his team mates, his country and it’s sports fans at the hour of their greatest needs. Quinn Giles and Brady stood tall and strong throughout barren times for Ireland’s football team, while Keane whinged and whined and bitched and moaned when he did not fly first class or practice grounds didn’t match his own self serving ego.
During the course of the match Dunphy vacated the program. I only wish his biographee would do the same and never return to football in any of it’s guises.

If anything informative came out of this television ‘performance’ it certainly reminded us of the chasm between class and trash, between real character and achievement and a cringing poseur.
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During the course of the match Dunphy vacated the program. I only wish his biographee would do the same and never return to football in any of it’s guises.


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He vacated to go and watch the Chelsea game I think. Also that is just an opinion piece that proves nothing.

The facts are that NYHoops calls Roy Keane Traitor. Owls fan you have as your signatrure a little dig at Roy Keane. So your credentials on this are to be biased against Roy Keane. So of couse you are going to see Dunphy as a lunatic and Brady as a sane voice.

However I am neither pro or anti Keane in this debate and that is why I agree with John Giles in relation to these issues and think that both Brady and Dunphy lose the plost when it comes to Roy Keane.

what is this **** article from???
who the **** wrote it?
fact is dunphy is one of the biggest media personalities in the country
a very successful journalist/broadcaster/pundit.
who the hell is the guy who wrote this?
and how did keane betray his country? how is he a traitor?
how ****in stupid do you have to be to think that.
he didnt play in a football match. who cares.
if it wasnt for the fact that he practically had to carry a bunch a journeymen there singlehandedly noone would have cared.
if anyone is goin to call him a traitor they can get off their hole and go practice football and go play for ireland. oh no? cant be bothered??
****in traitors! :rolleyes:


(now thats a rant!!!!)

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Originally Posted by klein4

if it wasnt for the fact that he practically had to carry a bunch a journeymen there singlehandedly noone would have cared.

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I agree with almost everything you said in your rant but this is the biggest load of bull that's continually sprouted by Dunphy. He had a good campiagn in 2002, no question about that but the team got us there, all of them. If I was going to single anyone out it would have been Given for his carrying of us all the way to the finals in the two games against Iran.

Owlsfan that is the best piece on the whole issue I've ever read. Articulate, accurate and concise. It maybe that persons opinion but it is not wrong. Superbly written piece.

Storming out of a studio, agreeing with someone who calls his teammates muppets, being arrested for drink driving but above all a parody of himself at this stage. Yeah I think dummy being called a lunatic is fair enough.

Klein4 that is a rant! Utter drivel but a rant nonetheless!

KOH

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Originally Posted by KarlosIRL

I agree with almost everything you said in your rant but this is the biggest load of bull that's continually sprouted by Dunphy. He had a good campiagn in 2002, no question about that but the team got us there, all of them. If I was going to single anyone out it would have been Given for his carrying of us all the way to the finals in the two games against Iran.

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A mate of mine is a Scottish fan and he was of the view that Given was our best and most important player during that campaign and that has become more and more so from the last campaign also. However I would be of the view that both Keane and Given were our world class performers during the road to Japan and Korea. BOth of them were very very important.

I dont get the saipan ****e. who still ****in cares.
as for the piece above it was a pile a cliche driven ****e that a leaving cert english student would be embarressed by. Larrissa Nolan is the only journalist I would listen to on the whole Saipan affair.

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Originally Posted by klein4

I dont get the saipan ****e. who still ****in cares.
as for the piece above it was a pile a cliche driven ****e that a leaving cert english student would be embarressed by. Larrissa Nolan is the only journalist I would listen to on the whole Saipan affair.

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Truth hurts pal.

KOH