Ground Sharing

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Originally Posted by pete

There are a lot more facts on foot.ie than most newspapers so just because a paper says this is true does not make it so.

Dublin eL clubs should get same funding as other eL sides. If prices are too expensive in the pale then have choice of building half a stadium or sharing a full stadium. Not fair that Dublin clubs get paid 10m to build expensive stadium when clubs outside the pale can do for a fraction fo that. Huge public money has been pumped into Tallaght & nothing to show for.

New 1500 seater stand in Turners Cross is costing approx 1m & that includes demolition so should follow that 6-8k seater stadium be easily done for €4-5m as would be savings doing all in one go.

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As almost always seems to happen when it comes to Dublin v rest of ... debates, any sense of proportion goes completely out of the window.
Based on population, Dublin deserves four club and four grounds, and certainly should not accept four clubs and two grounds. Far from being unfair to Cork (as if!), the proposal as currently floated massively discriminates against Dublin clubs and fans.
Lots of people here saying Rovers-Pats will never happen but Bohs-Shels could work. Absolute tosh. Why should BFC hand a lifeline to Ollie and co and let them cannibalise its natural constituency?
Another hare-brained scheme from FAI/Dept of Sport. They'll do anything to avoid having to subvent domestic football to make up for decades of neglect.

hate to admt it, but BD is 100% correct.

its easy for cork fans to be so flippant, no-one is trying to force them to sell 49% of their ground to cobh.

BTW Pats will try and get the money to improve Richmond and have a new team in there. Also talk of the Givt wanting the northside ground to be in Abbotstown and not Dalymount. Apparently the only team of the big 4(UCD and DC not considered?) are Shels who have expressed a willingness to move from tolka and no preference to North/South side

Oh and the SDCC have offered Rovers a 1 year lease...

Groundsharing in general shouldn't be dismissed right away, if Inter and AC Milan can do it I don't see why we can't here, but Shels moving into Dalymount Park would not go down too well with either side, and Abbotstown would be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

(UCD and DC not considered?)

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We have two grounds on the campus, we can move to the rugby one if the soccer one is built on. Certain college rules prohibit us from groundsharing. It would make no sense to insist we groundshare with someone else outside of Belfield and we can't let anyone in.

And Dublin City are groundsharing anyway...


Just a wee note: most groundsharing situations came into existance without really having a choice. Bar a few exceptions.
Inter Milan moved into San Siro because they couldn't further use their own ground.
Lazio moved into the Stadio Olimpico only a few years after AS Roma started to use it.
1860 Munchen's spell at the Olympiastadion is a temporary one until they return to their own ground (which is being renovated).
Istanbulspor shared with load of clubs because they're more homeless stan SRFC.
In Moscow several clubs groundshare for financial reasons only, lack of funds for renovating their own ground etc.
Club Bruges and Cercle Bruges share a ground because the city council encouraged them for it and rewarded them financially for it.
Wimbledon only used Selhurst Park (of Crystal Palace) because their own ground was no longer usable.

Not sure of the situation in Torino (Juventus - Torino Calcio) and Ankara (Ankaragucu, Ankaraspor, Genclerbirligi) but surely there will be proper reasons for it as well.

Groundsharing is only very rarely a voluntary decision from both sides, usually it's one side reaching out to a club-in-need by letting the club-in-need use their accomodations.




As for Shamrock Rovers: you already were tenants of St Pats, surely you can survive doing that a second time now ? :D

I think its great that Cork fans think they are the ones getting the bad deal!!

Puts yourself in the shoes of a Shels or Pats fan. You think moving from your current ground is something you'd be looking forward to! You seem to think moving out of a ground you own to another one you will half own with a rival is something we are all jumping up and down about?

and Bohs fans over the bailing Ollie out comments!!
Will you for 1 second do the exact same as the cork fans and imagine you were asked to sell up Dalymount and share with Shels in Tolka???? I am not sure where your getting the ideas that your doing us Shels fans a favour. Its not like we are going around begging for a place to play football. we have a long term lease on Tolka and can carry on playing there no problems for as long as we want. When two teams share a ground 1 has to leave the ground they are in!!!

If the government wants to build us a 12-15k all seater stadium on the eatern outskirts of Cork City & make us share with Cobh as well as giving us a cash injection i don't think i'd say No staright away.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

We have two grounds on the campus, we can move to the rugby one if the soccer one is built on. Certain college rules prohibit us from groundsharing. It would make no sense to insist we groundshare with someone else outside of Belfield and we can't let anyone in.

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No, you're not being considered for the sper dooper league...

Oh and Higgins, you're not being forced out, your club is actively looking to move. Big difference

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Originally Posted by pete

If the government wants to build us a 12-15k all seater stadium on the eatern outskirts of Cork City & make us share with Cobh as well as giving us a cash injection i don't think i'd say No staright away.

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Damn right you wouldnt. Unlike St. Pats or Bohs, Cork do not own their own ground. If St. Pats or Bohs wanted a 12k to 15k modern ground immediately they could just sell their existing grounds and move out. But why should they, they´re established in their localities for a long time. Why should they have to share with another club in order to receive grants when the other club is going to threaten their fanbase. It´s not as if Richmond and Dalymount are substandard compared to other grounds in the league and no club is anywhere near to attracting over 10k to their games on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by higgins

I think its great that Cork fans think they are the ones getting the bad deal!!

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For Cork people it's a bonus to have a senior club for any protracted length of time. You can see why they wouldn't be too bothered about abandoning a ground.:D

Slash/ED
AC Milan are looking at building a 60,000 ground of their own and Inter are thinking either rebuilding the San Siro or getting a stadium of their own. They are looking to re-establish themselves in stadiums they own so they can maximise revenue.


Gerrit
Juventus are to start a rebuilding of the Delle Alpi this summer and Torino are going back to the Comunale. Ground sharing is different to another club selling half of what was theirs for 105 years. Most groundsharing around Europe is done in Municipal stadiums. Clubs would have used these facilities because there was no cost or liability involved.


Higgins
Ollie has figured out that the move to Bally-whats-it-called will be a disaster and wants either Abbotstown or Dalymount. He wont move Shels to Dalyer without getting his name on the ownership details. Thats bailing Shels out.

Rovers have been bailed out by the SDCC, Pats are being courted by the SDCC as a 2nd potential tenant in a municipal soccer stadium in Tallaght - but Pats do own the Stadium of Sh1te - and Shels are rightly fukked. Lease on Tolka sold, no definite destination when out of Tolka. Not a whole lot of options left there Higgins is there? [How is Bally-whats-it-called coming along anyway?].

Take your pick - Abbotstown or Dalymount. I want Bohs to stay in Dalymount and couldnt care less what happens to Shels so long as you dont end up in Dalymount. The reason is simple. I am a member of Bohemians. As a member, I dont want to see 105 years of history and heritage get sacrificed so some low life criminal like Ollie Byrne ends up owning part of what I and every other Bohs member owns.

Oh, and Shels arent being forced to move. Shels are actively seeking to move. If not then why were Shels looking into a move to Bally-whats-it-called a few years ago?


This could well be the stick used by the FAI to force Bohs to accept Shels as co-owners of Dalymopunt Park. Let them in or you are out of our FFL [Franchise Football League].

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Originally Posted by fitzknows

If St. Pats or Bohs wanted a 12k to 15k modern ground immediately they could just sell their existing grounds and move out. But why should they, they´re established in their localities for a long time. Why should they have to share with another club in order to receive grants when the other club is going to threaten their fanbase. It´s not as if Richmond and Dalymount are substandard compared to other grounds in the league and no club is anywhere near to attracting over 10k to their games on a regular basis.

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Bravo. Couldn't have put it better myself.
I would also be totally opposed to selling Dalymount because place is so important a part of the Bohs vibe, but I would prefer to do that than share with Shelbourne.

my bohemian namesake, btid, has hit the nail exactly and squarely on the head.

forget the franchise thing, its irrelevant.

fai want 2 decent stadia in dublin for underage games etc. one on either side of the liffey.

btid, would oily not being involved in shels make the deal easier for the BFC members...... just a whisper i heard

with or without Ollie Byrne, I dont want Shels to ever own evena square inch of Dalymount Park.

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

with or without Ollie Byrne, I dont want Shels to ever own evena square inch of Dalymount Park.

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thats not what i asked.... :p

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Rovers have been bailed out by the SDCC, Pats are being courted by the SDCC as a 2nd potential tenant in a municipal soccer stadium in Tallaght -

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Correction. Pats have not been courted by SDCC.

Also you're dead right about not wanting shels or that criminal anywhere near your ground. Going to dalymount means playing the scum not shels ffs:D

KOH

Dublin, 26th January FAI Statement

Read into it what you want

At the invitation of the FAI and as a natural follow-on from the publication of the recent Genesis report on the future of the eircom League, discussions have taken place between representatives of Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC about a possible ground share arrangement. These discussions are being chaired by the FAI.

Both Clubs have entered into these discussions without prejudice to other strategic and developmental initiatives which are under consideration. The talks are taking place in the full recognition of the best interests of the stakeholders of both clubs and for the benefit of the long-term future of the clubs.

The sensitive nature of these discussions dictates that no further statement will be made at this time.

I've never actually figured out, why is the FAI so hellbent in getting Shels and Bohs into the one stadium?

Shels-Gypos In Talks

The prospect of Bohemians and Shelbourne sharing the same ground has moved a step closer to reality after confirmation from the FAI today that representatives from both clubs have met to discuss the possibility in conjunction with officials from Merrion Square.

A statement from the FAI said: "At the invitation of the FAI and as a natural follow-on from the publication of the recent Genesis report on the future of the eircom League, discussions have taken place between representatives of Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC about a possible ground share arrangement. These discussions are being chaired by the FAI."

Recent speculation has suggested the two northside clubs could share a ground at a redeveloped Dalymount Park in Phibsboro, which would be co-funded by the Government and the sale of Shelbourne's Tolka Park in Drumcondra.
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The statement added: "Both clubs have entered into these discussions without prejudice to other strategic and developmental initiatives which are under consideration. The talks are taking place in the full recognition of the best interests of the stakeholders of both clubs and for the benefit of the long-term future of the clubs.

"The sensitive nature of these discussions dictates that no further statement will be made at this time."

It is believed a similar arrangement is on the cards south of the River Liffey, with St Patrick's Athletic and Shamrock Rovers suggested as co-tenants of the new stadium in Tallaght. This partnership would also be partly funded by the Government and the sale of St Pat's' Richmond Park in Inchicore.