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And all the ref wanted to do was raise his arm every tackle. Joke decision.Quote:
Athlone Town were fined €100 for the improper conduct of their players (5 players carded) v Sligo Rovers (12.11.05).
I know I had a few beers but what flares? As the Sligo lads say. Its a joke decision.Quote:
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Originally Posted by harpskid
Sligo Rovers were fined €500 for the igniting of flares v Athlone Town (12.11.05).
The only people who should be fined and booted out of Irish football are all the f@#king retards at in Merrion square.
We got fined 200 blips a piece for the falers at Dalyer on Tuesday night...F@cking jokers
This attitude isn't good enough. There is not "always an idiot somewhere" "who cannot be stopped". Its up to fans themselves to police it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
Its not a good enough arguement to blaim the home club, when there is a repeat problem among the away fans. This particular incident is, very much, a probelm for Bohemians. At present some Bohs posters want Bray to jump through hoops before Bohs can do anything.
Fans will lose the trust of clubs if we continue to stick our heads in the sand and protest the actions of fans is nothing to do with us.
This attitude isn't good enough. There is not "always an idiot somewhere" "who cannot be stopped". Its up to fans themselves to police it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
Its not a good enough arguement to blaim the home club, when there is a repeat problem among the away fans. This particular incident is, very much, a probelm for Bohemians. At present some Bohs posters want Bray to jump through hoops before Bohs can do anything.
Fans will lose the trust of clubs if we continue to stick our heads in the sand and protest the actions of fans is nothing to do with us.
If security is crap at Bray then it was crap for everyone but it was only Bohs who were fined for the actions of their supporters. Stop blaming everyone else and sort out your scum.
I’m going to disagree with you Harpo and with BTID as well.
Much as it pains me to say it but punitive fines for fans misbehaviour is the correct tactic from the FAI. Bohs cannot afford these fines and eventually the financial pressure will force the club to do something about the recent downturn in our fans behaviour. BTID saying it was the home teams fault is just looking for a legal loophole – it was quite clearly Bohs fans who threw the stuff onto the pitch. Once the rules are applied in an even-handed manner, than we cannot complain. So I would expect Shelbourne and Bohemians both to get severe fines, for throwing missiles and pitch invasions by Bohs fans, and lighting flares plus throwing fireworks into the pitch by Shels fans. I’m not sure how far we can trust the FAI to be even handed here though.
But typically for the FAIlure their policy is not well thought out or applied. Bray were in dereliction of their duty of care to the spectators and officials of the match by having inadequate security at the game. Was the missile thrower singled out by the stewards and ejected from the game or charged by Gardai – No, and the reason why is that there were only about 3 or 4 stewards on that side of the ground. This is quite common in smaller provincial clubs who would much rather take the lovely profit from a large away support than live up to their security responsibilities. A large fine for Bray (€1000) would soften their cough and make them do it right next time.
Your argument Harpo is completely invalid and is, contrary to what you might think, - a cop out. It is not the ordinary fans responsibility to police the actions of his fellow fan. The structures, personnel and tactics of adequately controlling a crowd are well known and are effective but they just aren’t being applied. If the Gardai had arrived looking to eject the missile thrower and charge him with assault then I am quite certain that Bohs fans would have pointed out the culprit to them – but it didn’t happen. If you are expecting the Bohs fans to throw the guy out themselves you are away in cuckoo land.
I do agree that the current rash of fines is making everyone pause for thought.
I don't except fans to eject other fans from an area but it is possible for fans to identify troublemakers to their own clubs.
I think both sides of this argument have a point. Harpo is right to an extend. It's up to a club's group of supporters to behave within some reason of good behaviour and for the group as a whole to set a standard and make people toe the line. However stewarding in Bray is poor and extremely amateur. They all appear to be headless chickens who are just fans in yellow bibs.
There is no defence for the actions of Bohs fans who threw missiles at Bray and at Dalymount v. Shels. They are imbeciles and thugs that we can do without. How the club gets rid of them precisely I just don't know. We can use CCTV in Dalymount, ID them and ban them, I suppose. Most fans at the last incident wanted them out, and security wanted to get them out, but the guards ordered them not to intervene. A great opportunity wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce
While nothing excuse the behaviour of these loser, BW are far from blameless. Given previous incidents with this minority parasitic element that attaches itself to genuine Bohs support, the level of security at Bray was laughable -- and I thought that before anything happened there. Not a good one for the club to get up on their high horse about.
BTW, I saw no bottle -- it seemed to me to be a coin.
Similarly, at one of the most atrociously reffed games of football I have seen anywhere, Joxer got sent off yet again. Big surprise. I saw the incident and I still don't know why he got red. He spat at no one.
The FAI are right to fine Bohs and any club whose supporters act like thugs.
so how do Bohs stop it then?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce
Did Bray identify the culprit?
Do they have CCTV fooage?
Did the Stewards see it?
One idiot out of 2000 throwing a missile is impossible for the away club to prevent.
Bohs got fined because ONE person did something idiotic. Thats not Bohs fans behaving like thugs
How do Bray stop it either? UCD got fined there recently for inadequate stewarding against Bohs - one person threw a till roll and some people sang a song. The stewards aren't going to be able to pick that one person out of the crowd and eject them - realistically, if everyone's standing up (as is usually the case), all you see is a hand. What can you do? We tried reporting the incident to the league and let them pass it onto Bohs, but we got fined for doing that!Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
The fines are the right idea, but they're being implemented in about the most stupid way possible - no consistency, fines for things you simply can't do anything about (people singing songs?!) fines for things you shouldn't be fining (banners?! I'll argue flares should be allowed to - the only dangerous thing that appears to happen with them is when stewards start diving into the middle of a group of people and the flare gets passed along the line away from the stewards).
If the incident is for something you can't expect the stewards to do anything about but they do at least report it - e.g. one person throwing something - the fan's club should be fined and the club should be encouraged to start a drive to stamp the kind of behaviour out. If it's for something the stewards do have control over - e.g. pitch invasions during a game (incidentally, fining teams for pitch invasions after a game is surely stupid too?), then fine both teams.
That's a very rough idea - maybe not even practical - but at least it's fairer than the current system, which is pretty much random.
One small purple flare was let off just after the final whistle.....E500 for that is an absolute disgrace!! i wouldnt mind if it was thron at someone, but it was just thrown in front of the shed and it wasnt near anyone! Was there anything given to us for the pitch invasion after the match? the club said before the game that if we invaded the pitch the club would get a fine!!
Who hands out the fines anyway? is it the referees assesor that says what happened? they should go'way and get a life! ya cant't do f*****g anything nowadays!!
It's the disciplinary committee that dishes out the fines. AFAIK I know and incident (flare lighting etc) has to be included in the referee's/match delegate's report before the committee 'investigates'Quote:
Originally Posted by feo123
Will check this out for def later on!
These fines are becomming a joke though!
Wasn't there talk of the permitting of flares at grounds.:confused:
It really adds to the atmosphere.
FFS! The "bohs" fan who threw the bottle (although I think it was a coin) that hit the linesman is scum and should be banned for life. But it was clear that it was going to boil over for quite some time, but Bray had ONE steward in fron of the Bohs fans who had his back turned to them as he was watching the ****ing game. Stewards aren't there to watch the game!!! I saw a Bohs fan pointing it out to him that it was going to get out of hand, he just shrugged his shoulders. And when Bohs fans leaned over the wall to shout/spit at the linesman, he did NOTHING to try and stop them. I'm ashamed that these people are associated with my club, but Bray to cop the **** on and realise they no longer a first division side (unfortunately) and start acting like a Premier one - amateurs. Bray should have been fined for inadequate stewarding. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roo69
Im all for the fines... they may be small but at least the clubs are getting them and people know that someone is in charge...
it should stop the more serious stuff too if clubs know that they are getting fines for smaller offences.
I think flares are class though.
Is there a person from the disciplinary commitee at all matches so??
I think some of the fines are a complete joke.Most referees in the EL are sh1t so fining a club for it's players being booked is a joke.
IMO Flares should be mandatory at all EL matches.They help create an Atmosphere and can also help disguise the fact the there is a small crowd at the match.
As for Bray stewards being responsible for the actions of Bohs fans,well that's just crap.It's rediculous that some away fans need to have babysitters to behave themselves and without supervision they take it upon themselves to act the fcuk.If these fans can't behave themselves then it should be up to the away club to provide the extra security required to Police these troublemakers and bear the brunt of the extra cost required to do this.Maybe then they might take some action and weed out these thugs.