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Originally Posted by Gareth

I know this is harsh Snoop Drog but surely the fact they lived on the side of the road in a caravan is their choice?

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Yep, as is there right. But don't tell me these guys are living off the cream, not paying taxes and expecting handouts. These people are attempting to pursue their traditional way of life and we f#ck them over every time. Sure, they found weapons and pirating equipment. I'm not saying that the yare all perfect (I could argue they where driven to crime but lets not go there...)

I heard once that you should judge a society on how they treat the lowest memers of that society. The way we treat travellers reflects poorlly on the Land of a Thousand Welcomes.

I was waiting for the driven to crime being brought up , but seeing as you didn't get into it I will not either. This conversation is at least staying largely on track and I think that has the potential for a completely different thread. The lowest members of our community, I agree we are judged on how they are treated but does their lifestyle keep them in some element of poverty due to the nature of the world we live in. You need a fixed address for many vital things. Bank Accounts, Jobs etc and its not so we can discriminate against travellers but to safe guard against fraud? Their way of life is unfortunately for them very counter to any kind of social inclusion due to the fact they tend to refuse plenty of social standards? Its like having a culture that doesn't believe in money. Its their right not to but jesus they will be a long time trying to purchase anything!!!

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Originally Posted by Snoop Drog

Mate, to single out Travellers in the way that you did, as recipients of social housing, smacks of igorance and racism.

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Racism? Yeah, Gareth hates the Irish, he always has :rolleyes:

Love the way you implied travellers are the ''lowest members of society" while you're busy lecturing others on their attitudes.

My hatred of the being Irish ranks up there with my hatred of Shels. :)

Just to go off topic a bit but i find it insulting when travellers refer to me as a "settled person". To the best of my knowledge i have never been unsettled.

If thats a joke, its bad :). If its meant as a serious comment, we get very wound up by some pretty non offensive labels. The reality is you are settled in relation to their way of life. Calling you settled can hardly be upsetting? In that case I would suggest you are a little unsettled :) The fact you have never been unsettled aslo very much suggested you are settled. QED :)

As I spent most of my 20's in the back of a van* on the highways and byways of Ireland and the UK ...do I count as a traveller? Am I now a settled traveller? Did the fact I sold CDs on these travels help? Does the fact they weren't counterfeit not help?:eek:

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*Just a van -couldn't afford a Caravan.

was it a transit van lionel?

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

was it a transit van lionel?

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uhm ...Hiace:cool:

and also, for a time, - a Shirpa. The shirpa had windows and seats actually which was very posh by our standards

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

uhm ...Hiace:cool:

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Definitely a traveller so.

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Originally Posted by pete

Definitely a traveller so.

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In that case from now on you may call me by Sham name "Hatchet".

Lionel Hatchet Ritchie. Now there's a name you're not likely to see on a motor insurance form.:eek: ;)

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Originally Posted by pete

Definitely a traveller so.

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Only definite if no tax and insurance:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

hamish please correct me if im wrong, but you are referring to tinkers ( from the 60s/70s? )there in your above post and not gypsies/travellers, there is quite a subtle difference between the two.

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Hi POS - I suppose they were called Tinkers then as far as I can remember.

There is a settled traveller family just about a 100 yards up from my house. They're well liked and not regarded as "them", if you follow me, just good neighbours.

I can admit now that there were some lovely girls in that famlly and, boy, did they dress real sexy.

In fact, I can admit now**, that I actually went out with one of them about 20 years ago for a few dates. She was blonde and great craic. I met her through other lady friends - we all mixed together and there was no "us" and "her" TBH.

It kinda fizzled out when, dropping her home one night, she said, "My boy friend (husband to be) would kill you if he what we were up to":eek:

Hamish say, "me no snob".

God, she was hot. :D

**Admit now 'cos she no longer lives around here - married for years now in some other part of the country.

Hope Bubbles doesn't read this 'cos I'll get such a slagging.

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

As I spent most of my 20's in the back of a van* on the highways and byways of Ireland and the UK ...do I count as a traveller? Am I now a settled traveller? Did the fact I sold CDs on these travels help? Does the fact they weren't counterfeit not help?



*Just a van -couldn't afford a Caravan.

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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo phuck:eek:


Lionel


You didn't marry a gorgeous blonde bird about 12 to 15 years ago??:eek: :o

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Originally Posted by tiktok

Racism? Yeah, Gareth hates the Irish, he always has :rolleyes:

Love the way you implied travellers are the ''lowest members of society" while you're busy lecturing others on their attitudes.

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Congrats tiktok on totally missing the point. Surely you understand what I mean by "lowest members of society"??? If not, replace it with the phrase "those on the fringes of our society".

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Originally Posted by pete

Just to go off topic a bit but i find it insulting when travellers refer to me as a "settled person". To the best of my knowledge i have never been unsettled.

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So you admit you've never been unsettled, and therefore must be settled, and are insulted by being called settled. How strange....

well snoop drog, i havent been able to find it on the internet but growing up i was always led to beleive by my parents/neighbours/auld ones in general that tinkers, were those displaced from the famine, they would come to town do odd jobs/makes buckets and sell them on, and if they ever called to the door they would be fed and watered etc, where as gypsies were those that came from around the 15/16th century and were generally more frowned upon, beleived to be displaced during cromwellian times. However i havent been able to back this up on the internet/though anyone who led me to beleive this doenst know how to use the internet!!! and at the end of the day the internet is a knowledge base created by man!

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Originally Posted by Snoop Drog

Congrats tiktok on totally missing the point. Surely you understand what I mean by "lowest members of society"??? If not, replace it with the phrase "those on the fringes of our society".

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What I understand by someone using the phrase "lowest members of society" is that the person is using this to describe a group that they look down on (patronisingly in your case as you tell stories about how your family has looked after the poor traveller for generations) and that they don't consider that group at 'their own level' within the society the're discussing.

You're giving out sh!t to people on here for their opinions, callign them racist ffs, then you go and call travellers the "lowest members of society".

Your quote was, "heard once that you should judge a society on how they treat the lowest memers of that society". The way we treat travellers reflects poorlly on the Land of a Thousand Welcomes

Whatever you claim you meant, If you're going to chastise people for a phrase or opinion, at least don't be so hypocritical as to share it with them while you reply.

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Originally Posted by sirhamish

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo phuck

You didn't marry a gorgeous blonde bird about 12 to 15 years ago??:eek: :o

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you're safe enough hamish. The only girl of traveller stock I ever went out with had jet black hair. Though that was about 13 yrs ago.

...Fit is too small a word for it.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

you're safe enough hamish. The only girl of traveller stock I ever went out with had jet black hair. Though that was about 13 yrs ago.

...Fit is too small a word for it.

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Whew!!! --- to the first three sentences.

Very true, very true to the last sentence.:D When you mentioned you safe enough, you aren't the blonde beor's brother KF? Can't remember if she had brothers then I wouldn't be watching them anyway.