Team Budgets

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

the wage issue and the tax issue are separate are they not?
did'nt the government bring in a Tax free for all proffesional sports people
type bill last year ? to the best of my knowledge this means that certainly all full timer and i would imagine the part-timers also have completely tax free earnings from the clubs..... I could be wrong but that is my understanding of it, so the tax bill at the club is then taken from all other taxable sources
ie. gates, merchandise, bars and so on

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Very very wrong. Professional sports people can claim back tax after they've retired (they can claim back their 10 best years). All clubs and all players should have tax and prsi deducted.

Derry are the only club that have to pay vat on gate receipts, no vat on gate receipts in the Republic of Ireland. It's a myth that clubs would want to fiddle attendance figures to fiddle tax - they may want to avoid traceablility of income and keep the income unaccountable for other reasons, but not to avoid VAT.

That's a hell of a lot of money for anyone to be paid never mind Ger Rowe.I think it's common knowledge that our budget is being cut again for next season so i'd be surprised if that's what is being offered but who knows.I'm fairly certain that we run a tight run ship down here and that every cent is watched.We also got 2 extra sponsors on board this season and the astro turf pitches are generating a steady income.Now that our crowds are down to about 750 or so the club needs to look at ways to boost attendances again along wth more fund raising.

I may be wrong but i heard figures as high as 12,000 for our weekly bill,but these are only rumours

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Originally Posted by The Stars

I may be wrong but i heard figures as high as 12,000 for our weekly bill,but these are only rumours

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Serious? Christ thats a lot, I heard somewhere between 8 and 9,000 which i thought would be about right.

Galway United stands around 4-5,000 I THINK !

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

I hear Longford owe serious money !

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your wrong there mate, unless theres some kinda conspiracy cover up goin on(cue x-files music) were as tight as a ducks arse, and soon to be tighter!;)

I believe CCFC annula budget is something like €1.5m. Weekly figures mean nothing as clubs are run over 12 months not 7 days. It costs something €7k in cost for CCFc to stage a home game - rent, professioanl stewards/security etc...

IMO part-time players especially in the Premier get paid far too much money - so much so i would think a lot of them want to stay part-time as they would lose money going fulltime.

I'd think Shels easily €2m+

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IMO part-time players especially in the Premier get paid far too much money - so much so i would think a lot of them want to stay part-time as they would lose money going fulltime.
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that may be so but you have to factor in that most of them are not getting paid for the full 12 months of the year...

tbh, as figures go, i havent a clue what were payin..

the reason for the cut in wages is the well documented sudden drop in our attendances this year, this and the underperformance of some of the players we brought in last year means were gonna have to look at things differently this year.

its also possible that our guys in estimating our income failed to factor in that we had a few great cup runs over the last few years which would have put a false shine on our income over that period

There probably only room for 5-6 fulltime clubs at best.

Other clubs should offer players a 50% salary so they can have a part-time job for say the mornings - i think this is how done in the Scandanavian countries?

surely longford cant be offering the likes of ger rowe 900euro a week on attendances of only 750?

Hate to think of their fiancial problems if this is the case

I certainly couldn't see us offering any player that money never mind Ger Rowe.As is stated above we have had extra money in the last few years due to good cup runs plus we got 2 extra sponsors on board.Now that our gate income is down we have to revise our Budget somewhat so we don't get into to much bother.I'm sure this goes on at a lot of clubs and i'm not to surprised to be honest.To give an example of the penny pinching that goes on Davy Byrnes contract was based on appearance only as he was so prone to injury.The biggest worry i would have would be that the gulf between the part and full time clubs would get bigger and all part time clubs would live off scraps.A few seasons down the road we could end up like the premier division in Scotland being completely dominated by a few clubs.We just have to wait and see.
BTW i would put our weekly bill at about 9 - 11k but i stand to be corrected.

if our experience is anything to go by, television money for home games wont be an issue for ye guys next year... home games outside dublin and cork are simply not televised:mad:

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

also does anybody whats the story with Television money say if one of your home games are shown live ?

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I think its 5k for home team & 2.5k for away team. I;m unsure why the way team gets any money.

I don't think you have to worry about much live tv next season as Setanta won't leave Dublin at although RTE do leave Dublin they are slow to do so unless you top of the table.

It costs E500K per annum to run GUFC. However, our percentage of players wages vs total expenditure would be a lot lower than other club due to high rent (x 2), professional administrative staff and high travel costs.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Dunne

It costs E500 per annum to run GUFC

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only 500 euro, must be the lowest running costs in the country:D

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Originally Posted by Risteard

Total guess for City would be about €10-12,000.
Surely no more than that and i would presume we're only behind Shels on that.

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If thats the case you are spending less than rovers.

I think it was revealed last season that City's weekly wage bill was 24,000.
I would assume that it's still pretty much the same allowing for Doyler and Steve O'Flynn off the wage bill and Georgie's new contract.

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Originally Posted by pete

I;m unsure why the way team gets any money.

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They don't as far as I know.

Well it looks like i'm well out of the know here anyway.

Always thought the rumours of Fenn coming on 2grand a week were ridiculous.
My guess was with Fenn and Flynn on bout €1,100 and George just joining them recently.

Seems like its nearer to double that though.
I'd say Lennox runs a tight ship though.

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Originally Posted by Risteard

Always thought the rumours of Fenn coming on 2grand a week were ridiculous.
My guess was with Fenn and Flynn on bout €1,100 and George just joining them recently.

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Yeah, the figure I heard for Fenn was around the thousand mark when he went from Waterford.