Terrace Pest article Rovers Programme V Shels

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Originally Posted by Derek

OK I give up!

You win, from now on I will support The Rovers. :rolleyes:

SO that's it, your right, I don't think so.

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kildare county built up a club, you have a team.
they have a stadium and a youth set up.
CHF just took a spare place in the league and invened themselves in dublin. could have been cork, belfast or anywhere. thats why you are so irritating.
that place could have been progressively taken by a side from belfast, a second cork team, wexford, mayo, kerry or tullamore that would offer 100 times what chf do.
CHF are by any definition a franchise.
therefore they are, in my mind, and im not alone, parasites.
what do they actually bring to the league that Rovers, Bohs, Shels, Pats and UCD dont?

dublin city , milton keynes dons, red bull salzburg.
all franchises.none are real clubs

I think most people see 'Dublin City' quite simply as an opportunistic wheeze. I certainly don't understand how someone suddenly decides to support them over existing Dublin teams that are having enough trouble surviving, unless they have personal connections to it.
Just like this mullarky about joint stadiums/club mergers, it's another example of this league and association's astonishing ability to shoot itself in the foot.
I agree wholeheartedly with the final line of the Shams article, that what Dublin needs is not fewer clubs but more fans. But does anybody really think that we need another club?

Is that the real reason? the fact that someone else with no links to a club can choose the "francise club" over your club?

Everything starts somewhere! OK Kildare built up something, but by the same token Dublin City are in the process of building something. OK so they took a spot that was available. Dublin are in the process of building what will be one day a fine football club, so lets say in 20,30 or 40 years when you have given up supporting football and Dublin City now have their own stadium, clubhouse, youth section and all the other trappings that go with a club by your definition will you accept them then?

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

kildare county built up a club, you have a team.
they have a stadium and a youth set up.

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What youth section do Kildare have?
What youth section do Rovers have?

Dublin City have a youth and ladies section, early days but as I have said before everything starts somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

therefore they are, in my mind, and im not alone, parasites.
what do they actually bring to the league that Rovers, Bohs, Shels, Pats and UCD dont?

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So it's only Dublin City that you don't like? a few posts ago UCD got a mention as a non club.

I think the real reason you cannot see beyond ther end of your nose is you dislike our chairman for some reason.

You need to snap out of it cause Dublin City are not going away.

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Originally Posted by northside hoop

Is this for real?

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Yes, what youth section. as far as I knew you affiliated with a club from Tallaght.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

kildare county built up a club, you have a team.
they have a stadium and a youth set up.

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Where is the Rovers stadium?

Good God, I've heard it all now - we actually have someone here who is trying to justify the existance of CHF by comparing their credentials with those of Shamrock Rovers :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Derek

Where is the Rovers stadium?

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No more than a couple of weeks since you were homeless. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Derek

Dublin City took a spot that was available.

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They did NOT take a spot that was available, because at the time, there was NO spot available. All, they did was use an alias to re-brand their club. They were Home Farm, they are Home Farm, and they will continue to be known as Home Farm. There are 6 clubs all from Dublin City, one of them being Home Farm. I do not recognise their current "name", and I'm not the only one not to.

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Dublin City now have their own stadium, clubhouse, youth section and all the other trappings that go with a club by your definition will you accept them then?

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Home Farm are, and always have been a junior club. They should not be playing Senior LOI football. The fact that they do play in the league, is another problem with it.

IF CHF were not in Dublin they would never get promoted from the 1st division - they just use continuous pool of surplus players from the Dublin region that are in-between clubs. I don't see any progression in them as a club. I don't knock anyone for supporting them but don't see them growing in club or support.

I don't see any Dublin clubs merging but do feel ground share has to be treated as an option. More so than any other part of the country dublin clubs need much better facilities to attract supporter.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Home Farm are, and always have been a junior club. They should not be playing Senior LOI football. The fact that they do play in the league, is another problem with it.

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That is silly talk, Dublin City is Dublin City.
Maybe Homefarm are what you say but Dublin City are not.

You ask anybody with anything to do with Homefarm and they will tell you that Dublin City are nothing to do with them.

See the light and accept that Dublin City are here to stay.

And don't give me that rubbish about the players having nothing better to do. Most of the EL players have played for more than one club. There are very few players who have stayed at one or two clubs in their careers.

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Originally Posted by pete

IF CHF were not in Dublin they would never get promoted from the 1st division - they just use continuous pool of surplus players from the Dublin region that are in-between clubs.

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What do you call players from Drogs and Harps?

Locals?

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Originally Posted by pete

I don't see any progression in them as a club. I don't knock anyone for supporting them but don't see them growing in club or support.

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We do grow in support but as all EL clubs will tell you it is a slow process.
I reeckon that we will have our own home before most people could imagine.
Own home means growth, so if we get our own home will that convince some of you ABDC's(Anything but Dublin City).

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Originally Posted by Derek

ABDC's(Anything but Dublin City).

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I like that! :D

Leaving aside the Dub City argument (which appears to cause too many spiteful attacks for reasoned debate), I don't think that you could possibly merge any of the other 5 Dublin teams. It's a ludicrous idea dreamt up by people who know nothing about League of Ireland football. Each of Bohs, Shels, Rovers, Pats and UCD have a destinct identity which fits a particular niche. Mergers would decrease the total number of fans going to games because the existing fans would be alienated and people who currently don't go would not be enticed by makey-uppy teams.

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Originally Posted by pete

More so than any other part of the country dublin clubs need much better facilities to attract supporter.

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This is spot on. Every team in the eL needs better facilities, but particularly the Dublin clubs. This is partly because there is so much else to compete with in Dublin

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Originally Posted by Derek

Yes, what youth section. as far as I knew you affiliated with a club from Tallaght.

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currently barry murphy, trever molloy and lee roche and most of the bench are all graduates of the Rovers youth team. Mooney left during the window. Etc etc. Its about all we have going very well.
We merged our youth set up with Tallaght town about 10 years ago.
I wont even go down the road of listing the Irish internationalists and top quality LOI players who came through the ranks over the years.
You are a nothing club, even your arguements are fake.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

You are a nothing club, even your arguements are fake.

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I not disputing the fact that rovers are what they are but even they started somewhere. Whats fake about what I have said?

Dublin City have setup an affilation with a schoolboy club and hopefully this will lead to similar things as all of the other long established clubs, the part I don't understand in all of your arguments is the fact the you think we should not exist, it all seems very bitter. In all of your remarks it seems to come back to nothing this and nothing that. As I have said before everthing starts somewhere. You can't just create club history it has to be gained through years of effort. In time thats what Dublin City will do.

i dont think dublin city shouldnt exist. just that they arent in the EL on merit.
you havent made it through 'years of effort'.
years of effort means rising through junior then senior football all the while building facilities. ie what a host of clubs up and down the country are trying to do but wont get into the EL because of parasites like seery.
You just tagged on to home farm and rented their ground.
its a franchise, no matter what your ambitions.

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

i dont think dublin city shouldnt exist. just that they arent in the EL on merit.
you havent made it through 'years of effort'.
years of effort means rising through junior then senior football all the while building facilities.

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Is the problem the starting position? ie straight into the EL. Well whats the difference? It's just that Dublin City started a little bit further up the ladder than some other clubs. Now they are putting in place the other stuff that most teams would have built up from years of existence.

And I also disagree with the slur on our Chairman, if you knew him and what his is about you would change your mind. I know you will still disagree but maybe we have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough Derek, i think it is a profound difference, but as you say its a zero sum argument.
i just dont get the dublin city thing from either a football or business sense.
Just out of interest are you a converted HF fan or did you start following DC?

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Originally Posted by crc

... I don't think that you could possibly merge any of the other 5 Dublin teams. It's a ludicrous idea dreamt up by people who know nothing about League of Ireland football.

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Spot on.
But none of these 'reformers' are going to propose that explicitly. Instead, it seems there is a sly carrot and stick strategy to force clubs to groundshare, which in the long term will tend towards fewer clubs in Dublin, via mergers and/or clubs going belly up.
I'd like to see examples of successful groundshares from leagues with a similar population and similar attendances. If there are no supporting case studies, then taking this direction is sheer lunacy other than for property developers and the enemies of football who occupy positions of power in the sports establishment.