Kerr - Judgement Day!

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03/09/2005, 10:43 AM
thejollyrodger

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Originally Posted by Condex

What a load of boll*cks, nice man but a when it comes to senior international football he doesn't seem to have a clue!!!

More like you havent a clue. Kerr has got so many things right compared to Carthy or Charlton. He knows more about football than you ever will. The 11 players out on the pitch let Kerr down not the other way around.

Kerr is a manager BTW. He ISNT a motivator. His job is about putting the best 11 on the pitch in their best position, about planning & preparing, tatics etc. He looks at all the formations and uses whatever is best for the day.

At the end of the day, its up to the captain or someone on the pitch to continue on where kerr stops. That is making sure everyone concentrates and stays focus on the game plan, stays in shape, treks back, close players down, all that sh1te. Thats a captains proper role. Players know what they have to do, they have to get on with it.

Mick Mac Carthy on the other hand hadnt a clue about formations and where people played their best football but he gave players lots of confidence and motivated them shouting at everyone from the sideline. Thats how we got results but it was all wrong.

Look at Mourniho, he never played and was shunned out of it at Barca. One of the French manager came from underage too. So it doesnt matter where you come from. Management is management. We have a good manager Kerr who is making all the right decisions.

If the 11 players out on the pitch play for Kerr like the way the can for 90 minutes then were going to win our next 3 games and top the group. The fact Kerr is Irish is obviously a serious disadvantage for the man. Look at Carthy and Charlton, they got away with murder because there english.
03/09/2005, 11:29 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

. Look at Carthy and Charlton, they got away with murder because there english.

What sort of rubbish is this ? For a start it's McCarthy and his father was Irish and he has an Irish passport. He is therefore Irish. Also I should have imagined that they would have got away with less not more if they were both English.

And what exactly did Charlton get away with, leading us to TWO World Cups and a European Championship when we had never been at one before. If you're going to engage in revisionism, at least get your facts right.

Kerr will be judged on whether we qualify - not where he's born or his accent.
03/09/2005, 11:58 AM
Condex

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Kerr is a manager BTW. He ISNT a motivator. His job is about putting the best 11 on the pitch in their best position, about planning & preparing, tatics etc. He looks at all the formations and uses whatever is best for the day.

:confused: If he can't motivate a team whats the point in him being a manager....
03/09/2005, 2:00 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

eirebhoy your always biased with things like this. what has he done like??? not with kids btw.

I'm always biased towards people that get less credit than they deserve. :) I like to make the seesaw as close to horizontal as possible. ;) I'll build Israel up and play Switzerland down. I still think what I said is true though. If I was a chairman of a football club, Kerr would be my first choice manager out of all previous Ireland managers. For one, he'd have them playing the most attractive football while not conceding many.
03/09/2005, 2:17 PM
Slash/ED

To call a match against a team far, far better than we are judgement day is outrageous. We may or may not get a result, if we don't it's hardly time to call for his head. His judgement will be on finishing ahead of the Swiss and Israel, anything out of France is a bonus.
03/09/2005, 2:26 PM
Condex

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

To call a match against a team far, far better than we are judgement day is outrageous. We may or may not get a result, if we don't it's hardly time to call for his head. His judgement will be on finishing ahead of the Swiss and Israel, anything out of France is a bonus.

What is outrageous is that we only got two points against Israel, and the manger should take his fair share of the blame for that.
03/09/2005, 3:09 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by Condex

What is outrageous is that we only got two points against Israel, and the manger should take his fair share of the blame for that.

Yes, fair share, not all of it which he is getting by a lot of people.
03/09/2005, 3:16 PM
Slash/ED

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Originally Posted by Condex

What is outrageous is that we only got two points against Israel, and the manger should take his fair share of the blame for that.

I don't disagree with that at all.
03/09/2005, 7:54 PM
thejollyrodger

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Originally Posted by Condex

:confused: If he can't motivate a team whats the point in him being a manager....

When you have 11 EPL players who are good and are full time professional you shouldnt have to motivate them. They should be already up for it.

Would you enter the Re�l Madrid team dressing room at half time trying to motivate the team ? No.
03/09/2005, 8:23 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

When you have 11 EPL players who are good and are full time professional you shouldnt have to motivate them. They should be already up for it.

Would you enter the Re�l Madrid team dressing room at half time trying to motivate the team ? No.

From what I hear the players tell the coach what to do at times in that dressing room. Or at least they did under Quieroz (sp?). Beckham said on record that a lot of training is "who can do the best tricks"
04/09/2005, 9:20 AM
Stuttgart88

Just reading bloody Dion Fanning in The Indo (early London edition by the looks of things). He still contends Kerr was too cautious in Paris. I just don't agree at all. Fanning then went on to select 12 players in his Irish "probable" team. 4-5-2. We'd have a good chance with that!

Amy Lawrence in the Observer correctly lauds the quality & tempo of our passing in Paris. This is one area where I feel Kerr has been trying - with mixed results - to make his own mark on the team.
04/09/2005, 10:46 AM
geysir

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Just reading bloody Dion Fanning in The Indo...Fanning then went on to select 12 players in his Irish "probable" team. 4-5-2. We'd have a good chance with that!

Reluctantly, very reluctantly i have to report that Fanning selected 11, in Fanning's probable team he selected S. Reid OR Duff.
04/09/2005, 1:03 PM
Stuttgart88

Not in the version I have:) It was an early version though - they didn't even have the results of the Swiss or French games.
04/09/2005, 3:09 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Not in the version I have:) It was an early version though - they didn't even have the results of the Swiss or French games.

Schite, you managed to slip out of that one just when your credibility and everything you have ever stood for, was on the line.
04/09/2005, 3:33 PM
thejollyrodger

Question 1 :

Do you think this current Irish side are a very ordinary side at best ?

Question 2 :

Seeing that both Ireland and France have had a poor WCQ campaign do you think that the game on wednesday will be a bland display ?

**on the online version of the irish times its S Reid OR Duff. Must be just a typo in the early version but something typical of the Irish media. Another example being Cork losing to Steau last season etc
04/09/2005, 4:53 PM
Slash/ED

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Originally Posted by geysir

Reluctantly, very reluctantly i have to report that Fanning selected 11, in Fanning's probable team he selected S. Reid OR Duff.

Picking 12 players is far less outrageous than suggesting that there is even the smallest possiblity we pick any player we have over Duff.
04/09/2005, 6:52 PM
Qwerty

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Picking 12 players is far less outrageous than suggesting that there is even the smallest possiblity we pick any player we have over Duff.

Duff is injured, the article was about the importance of Duff playing. S Reid if Duff injured.
04/09/2005, 7:03 PM
Qwerty

You wouldn't judge a player on one game so it's unfair to say that Kerr's reputation rests on the result against the French. When the campaign is over then we can judge him. Having said that his performance in the last campaign was poor but people have argued extenuating circumstances - he came in after 2 opening defeats, the squad was not his ( I this simply means that Roy was not available ).

If we fail to qualify every mistake or perceived mistake Kerr made will be analyzed to death, if we qualify it will all be forgotten or go uncommented upon so you could argue it doesn't make sense to fuss about it too much and just get behind the team this week.

If we do not qualify Kerr is looking for a new job, if we qualify then he will be crowned as Ireland's best manager, please prepare to move over and make room Saint Jack.
04/09/2005, 8:57 PM
geysir

I rate Kerr good enough so far. I am speculating that it is to our advantage in this group that he experienced the lows of the last campaign. I don�t agree with that the French game is a judgment day. The minimum time that he deserves before his judgment day comes, is until the last game of the group BUT there should still something to play for then.
At this stage a minimum standard of expectation is 6 points out of 9.
04/09/2005, 9:05 PM
thejollyrodger

you mean 7 points. anything less is a diaster and we will be going nowhere

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