Doire teams in NI leagues ??

Exactly

Teatanic was an ice tea company and the travelling handful that went to the away league(including myself) ended up in being involved in a TV ad. That is a story for another day..........

Great trip that, involved all night drinking with neo nazis, attempting to charter a floating chinese restaurant for a cruise, getting stuck in a lift, Milo Corcoran, ski jumps and many another memories :D

As for sank- we lost 2-0 in the home leg after dominating the first half, and then 1-0 in the away league after hit the post three times. The same side beat Roma in the Champions League group stages a few years later

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

It's not gonna happen. I believe it got the name London as a reward by Royal Charter. I don't think that can be reversed too easily. In fact I think that is the main reason it hasn't already been changed by now. However as previously mentioned the city council is officially Derry City Council. Also having been in Slovenia for quite sometime all Slovenian maps call it Londonderry and to any foreigners who happen to casually know of it they think it is called so too.

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Poor Student - the name change will happen. The Council is mad keen on it (particularly Sinn Fein).

It hasn't happened previously, as the Town Clerk for most of the 1980's and 1990's had an incorrect assumption regarding the impact of the Council voting to rechange its name.

The Council has taken legal advice on the matter, which suggests/states that the City's legal name also changed when the Council changed its name. They've written to the DOE (Department for the Environment for Northern Ireland) about the issue 2 or 3 times now asking them to confirm their legal view that the city's name changed when the council's name changed, but they've yet to respond. The last such letter gave them a couple of weeks to respond, or the issue would go to court. They didn't respond - it's now going to court.

The change will happen....

Steve, I hope you are right and best of luck to them. But does the royal charter thingy not pose a problem?

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Steve, I hope you are right and best of luck to them. But does the royal charter thingy not pose a problem?

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Don't know to be honest, but wouldn't think so.

As far as I'm aware, Royal Charter grants city status - not a specific name. Anyways - I'd expect the current legal system would over-rule any ancient Royal Charters.

I spoke to the Mayor of Derry (a Sinn Feiner) about the whole name thing at an event in the City of London 2 weeks ago, and he said it would happen eventually. The City of London themselves (who funded the building of the City walls, and were the reason the town had the 'london' bit added to the front) apparently don't have a problem with the name change, as they see it as a legal issue. If changing the Council's name in '84 changed the city's name as well, then they're cool with that (which surprised me).

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If changing the Council's name in '84 changed the city's name as well, then they're cool with that

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It didn't. Royal Charters need specific Acts of Parliament (or in exceptional cases, Secretary of State-sanctioned Orders) in order to be amended or repealed. This is more than a matter of legal process, I'm afraid. Given the 45 specific pieces of primary legislation in the recent Queen's Speech, there won't be any time in the next session to deal with it, even if a Private Member's Bill is introduced to speed things up. I smell trouble ahead... and that's without the intercession of Ross, Campbell and co.

:ball: PP

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It didn't. Royal Charters need specific Acts of Parliament (or in exceptional cases, Secretary of State-sanctioned Orders) in order to be amended or repealed. This is more than a matter of legal process, I'm afraid. Given the 45 specific pieces of primary legislation in the recent Queen's Speech, there won't be any time in the next session to deal with it, even if a Private Member's Bill is introduced to speed things up. I smell trouble ahead... and that's without the intercession of Ross, Campbell and co.

:ball: PP

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We'll just have to see what happens PP.

Derry City Council and their legal representatives claim to have their done their homework on this one, so that's good enough for me until they're told otherwise in a court of law.

Anyways - I think you may be confusing 2 issues here. Are Royal charters not just to grant city status upon a settlement anyway - rather than deal with the actual name of that settlement ? Does the name of a place in the UK require an Act of Parliament - e.g. was there one for new towns like Milton Keynes, Telford and Cumbernauld ? There may well have been, but I'd be surprised.

As for Ross, Campbell et co - they will have no real say in this issue. The council is making the valid point that having multiple names for a town is damaging to its ability to promote itself internationally, rather than it being a political issue. If the city therefore should have only one name, it makes sense to go with the one used by pretty much all its citizens - on both sides of the divide. If worst came to worst the Council could decide to push for a Referendum on the issue anyway, which would take a while to happen and would be very divisive but would have a very predictable result....

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We'll just have to see what happens PP.

Derry City Council and their legal representatives claim to have their done their homework on this one, so that's good enough for me until they're told otherwise in a court of law.

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Fair enough Steve. On reflection, I shouldn't wonder that it's just a matter of making an Order, which the Secretary of State is empowered to do by the standard terms of such charters. About 2,000 Orders are laid before Parliament every year for their sanction (making it an everyday Parliamentary procedure), so I expect your confidence is justified.

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Anyways - I think you may be confusing 2 issues here. Are Royal charters not just to grant city status upon a settlement anyway - rather than deal with the actual name of that settlement ? Does the name of a place in the UK require an Act of Parliament - e.g. was there one for new towns like Milton Keynes, Telford and Cumbernauld ? There may well have been, but I'd be surprised.

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No. Royal Charters pre-date the modern Parliamentary structure and as such still retain quasi-legislative standing. As I understand it, there will need to be formal revocation of the terms of the standing charter (and the issuing of a new Supplemental Charter), but that's easy enough to do using the statutory process I outlined above.

The names of new settlements in the UK are now generally (although not always) determined by the relevant local authority under bye-laws, or devolved powers. Thus Telford was only a last-minute name change as I understand it; the town having been known as Dawley New Town (catchy moniker, huh?) all through the planning process. Thus no need for Battenberg-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha involvement.

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As for Ross, Campbell et co - they will have no real say in this issue. The council is making the valid point that having multiple names for a town is damaging to its ability to promote itself internationally, rather than it being a political issue

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In the absence of them- or any unionist fans from the Maiden City- expressing an opinion on this thread, let me second guess if I may.

Unionists will likely say that

a) the legal and related actions up to a referendum are a silly waste of local taxpayers' money, and

b) they'll continue to make a point of calling it Londonderry- presumably not the intention of most local nationalists, including you personally.

En route to Austria v NI, later this season, I'll fly into Bratislava airport. The bus will soon be heading down Pressburgerstrasse after crossing the border into German-speaking Austrian suburbs, and meantime I expect to see plenty of references to Poszony- the city was part of Hungary up to the end of WW1.

If the Mitteleuropeans can manage three different names, I'm sure youse can get by with two :)

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In the absence of them- or any unionist fans from the Maiden City- expressing an opinion on this thread, let me second guess if I may.

Unionists will likely say that

a) the legal and related actions up to a referendum are a silly waste of local taxpayers' money, and

b) they'll continue to make a point of calling it Londonderry- presumably not the intention of most local nationalists, including you personally.

En route to Austria v NI, later this season, I'll fly into Bratislava airport. The bus will soon be heading down Pressburgerstrasse after crossing the border into German-speaking Austrian suburbs, and meantime I expect to see plenty of references to Poszony- the city was part of Hungary up to the end of WW1.

If the Mitteleuropeans can manage three different names, I'm sure youse can get by with two :)

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Well Brussel/ Bruxelles is the capital of the EU Dunc.

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Actually Teatanic were the sponsor. Maribor is the team, and indeed the name of the Derry poster in this thread. So they seek to remind themselves! Thankfully with corruption and mispending the 7 in a row champs are crumbling.

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maribor were called pivovarna lasko in domestic competition, but teatanic in european competition for some reason. pivorvarna lasko is lasko brewery, a beer company. afaik they went with the ice tea sponsor in europe for some reason

and whyu the referrence to "german-speaking suburbs of austria"?all austrians speak german

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maribor were called pivovarna lasko in domestic competition, but teatanic in european competition for some reason. pivorvarna lasko is lasko brewery, a beer company. afaik they went with the ice tea sponsor in europe for some reason

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The Slovenian clubs are not supposed to be called by their domestic sponsor names in Europe. Also I don't think alcohol sponsorship is allowed in European competition. I remember when Shelbourne played Olimpija Ljubljana (who incidentally died two days ago) the papers here were calling them Vega Olimpija when they had even changed their sponsors from Vega to KD. Poor researching by the media (surprise surprise).

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and whyu the referrence to "german-speaking suburbs of austria"?all austrians speak german

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The sense made clear I was talking specifically about the suburbs of Bratislava, which is obviously mainly in Slovakia but has some suburbs just over the border.

There are both Hungarian and Croat first language minorities in the Burgenland region between Vienna and the Slovak and Hungarian borders.

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There are both Hungarian and Croat first language minorities in the Burgenland region between Vienna and the Slovak and Hungarian borders.

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There's some Slovenian speaking regions in the South of Austria too.

I think this thread has become a tad historical/political :(

Still it is Ireland (Northern & Republic of) we are living in ;)

Could Liverpool change their name to Carlsberg FC for the UEFA cup next year? Also Amstel are one of the biggest sponsors of the Champions League. Its Cigarette ad's that are banned.

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Could Liverpool change their name to Carlsberg FC for the UEFA cup next year? Also Amstel are one of the biggest sponsors of the Champions League. Its Cigarette ad's that are banned.

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You're right actually. I was getting a bit mixed up. I think it is when you are playing in France it is banned.