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28/02/2005, 10:56 AM
Jim Smith

A bit of perspective on the Walters incident

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Originally Posted by sylvo

...the support hates black people due to some @rsehole chucking stuff at Walters 18 years ago....

As someone who was living in Glasgow at the time (I wasn't at the game) and remembers the post incident fall out I'll chuck my two cents in here:

There was more than a single individual involved in the banana throwing, that much was obvious from the media coverage. However this behaviour was a reflection of the racism within Scottish society in general at the time. The Scottish media and public had the deluded notion that racism was a problem that was confined to the English and didn't exist in Scotland. Walters himself said that the reaction he got in Scotland was just as bad as the reaction that he got in England.

I honestly believe that Celtic have tried to deal with their knuckle-draggers (maybe they just keep them better hidden) more than Rangers. Or it may be that I just dislike Rangers more than I dislike Celtic :eek:

Anyway, to keep dragging up the Walters incident is a cheap shot that is well passed it sell by date.
28/02/2005, 11:16 AM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Strange, strange post.

...for a strange, strange bloke. Keep those sanctimonious posts coming. They do tickle me. :D

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

I think its high time the FAI banned all Glasgow Celtic jerseys at LAndsdowne Road

Last time I was in Ireland I got the impression it was a free country. :confused:

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Originally Posted by sylvo

I suppose you know all about the fears Asian communitys in towns and citys across England have when Leeds come to their towns, like the Asian community in Leicester who just shut down for the day altogether and wait till they've gone.

Shurely shome mishtake Shylvo? Don't they open to all hours because we are talking about the best behaved supporters in the world? Don't have any time for Scum United but at least at the Theater of Creams in the days when it was a fashionable occurence, that if someone started selling the Flag or The Bulldog it wouldn't be too long before his a*se would be kicked up and down the Stretford End. Not at Leeds though.

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Originally Posted by Jim Smith

As someone who was living in Glasgow at the time (I wasn't at the game) and remembers the post incident fall out I'll chuck my two cents in here:

There was more than a single individual involved in the banana throwing, that much was obvious from the media coverage. However this behaviour was a reflection of the racism within Scottish society in general at the time. The Scottish media and public had the deluded notion that racism was a problem that was confined to the English and didn't exist in Scotland. Walters himself said that the reaction he got in Scotland was just as bad as the reaction that he got in England.

I honestly believe that Celtic have tried to deal with their knuckle-draggers (maybe they just keep them better hidden) more than Rangers. Or it may be that I just dislike Rangers more than I dislike Celtic.

I was at a game in the eighties at Forest where a group of Celtic fans started doing monkey chants. What was different from certain other clubs (for you Connor I'll spell it out clearly. LEEDS) was that a number of other fans steamed into them causing an almighty kick off. Are there racist Celtic fans? Of course. George Galloway saw a young lad in the hoops giving the nazi salute during that business on the sink estate with the murdered Iranian asylum seeker. Is it tolerated: It wasn't in 1983.

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Originally Posted by Jim Smith

Anyway, to keep dragging up the Walters incident is a cheap shot that is well passed it sell by date.

Well said!
28/02/2005, 11:39 AM
Junior

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Was anyone watching the Rangers/Celtic supporters on the telly last night ? I hate both clubs. With all the bigotry its pathetic.

I think its high time the FAI banned all Glasgow Celtic jerseys at LAndsdowne Road

Glad to see you weren't taken in by this utter drivel & the sensationalism, closed questioning type journalism it contained. My 3 year old niece could have pulled togewther a more informative 40 minutes of viewing.
28/02/2005, 11:39 AM
Green Tribe

i know u get horrible people in all societies, but in my couple of years here, every rangers fan i have met has been very openly racist( about other countries and race) and anti-irish(with and without knowing where i was from). it makes my blood boil and i always have to tell them how brainless and ignorant they are. being female allows u to be able to speak ur mind and not get thumped :D
28/02/2005, 11:52 AM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Junior

Glad to see you weren't taken in by this utter drivel & the sensationalism, closed questioning type journalism it contained. My 3 year old niece could have pulled togewther a more informative 40 minutes of viewing.

I felt particularly depressed at the programme which as you predicted was to centre on the extreme fringe. Imagine what other Europeans would feel watching the programme, with a youth in Sweden shirt throwing a rock and another (who I presume was successfully prosecuted as they didn't hide his face) wearing a Spain shirt and a black eye while swinging a hammer around until what looked like his mother, dragged him home?

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Originally Posted by davros

To be fair as far as I know,no fascist newspapers/merchandise has been openly distributed @ Elland Rd.,for approx.15 years.......

I was talking about that period.
28/02/2005, 12:26 PM
Karlos

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

i know u get horrible people in all societies, but in my couple of years here, every rangers fan i have met has been very openly racist( about other countries and race) and anti-irish(with and without knowing where i was from).

I suppose to just come from the other persepective. I like Celtic but am not a Celtic fan. I look out for results because my cousins are season ticket holders in Glasgow. I've never been to a game there but I have met quite a few rangers fans and representatives. I've never had a single problem with them - perhaps I've just been lucky. I have a friend who lives down the street who is a Rangers fan and he gets a good ribbing over his support - all good natured stuff. I've met a few couples from Scotland on holiday in Ibiza and the likes and spent 2 weeks in their company and many years by e-mail.

The best experience I ever had though was last year at Easter in a football tournament in Amsterdam with my U-12's. We played Rangers U-12's in a game. Before the game we met their coaches and had a good chat about football & insignificant stuff and we agreed to get a team photo of the boys together with both the tricolour and union jack in the background. It was a special moment and it was great to see kids from both sides just enjoying the company. It helped that we beat them 2-0 too on the way to winning the cup! :D

After the game, I had a great chat with the Rangers coach about life in Glasgow and the hatred etc and a dutch guy even questioned the hatred as kids stuff compared to Ajax and Feynoord (he was taking the urine!) - it was a great day and I must say the representatives & players of Rangers Football Club behaved impeccably on the day even after a malling by our lads :p . Pity the same couldn't be said of some of our boy's fathers but thankfully they were only brave when the Rangers lads had gone. :mad:

I know there's probably terrible stuff going on all the time but for me I've always got on well and enjoyed the company of any Rangers fans I've met.
28/02/2005, 1:05 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Conor74

That's at least the fourth time this word has been used by the Usual Suspects against me.

That's because it sums you up. You can add boring and predictable as well, the ammount of times you bring up Mark Walters and his bananas.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Anyway, surely that Panorama crowd made some mistake. From the Celtic apologists here it seems like there is a great programme to be made about Leeds United fans. How dare they turn their cameras on Celtic when a good few contributors here could have assured them there was nothing to see and the real nasty stuff is all elsewhere, or was years ago, or is never spoken about...

Nothing like looking at the tribalism of the Paddies, even within the setting of Scotland, to get the figures going. Leeds? About as sexy as, well, Leeds. I hear on the grapevine that Panorama's got a programme coming up about this wonderful Yorkshire institution, although it seems to centre on cocaine on the cereals and an Irishman having the sh*t kicked out of him outside a pub. Except this time the Irishman is also a Leeds player and the victim :confused: while the assailant has been paid to do it by a club director as part of an unorthodox wage cutting and redundancy programme. :D :p
28/02/2005, 7:17 PM
sylvo

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:D :D

That's at least the fourth time this word has been used by the Usual Suspects against me.

Anyway, surely that Panorama crowd made some mistake. From the Celtic apologists here it seems like there is a great programme to be made about Leeds United fans. How dare they turn their cameras on Celtic when a good few contributors here could have assured them there was nothing to see and the real nasty stuff is all elsewhere, or was years ago, or is never spoken about...

Now now Conor no need to be left out, sure didn't panorama do a programe
about Leeds United when some of your players nearly kicked to death an unfortunate Asain lad who's only crime was to say to his brother ''look there's Jonathan Woodgate'' plus maybe the colour of his skin had something also to do with it. But hey we'll let you go on dragging up something from 18 years ago.

I'm sure if Panorama wanted to do a programe about a once famous club with a nasty right wing fan base that has had a sad fall from grace :D , then i'm sure Leeds would be a perfect chioce of subject matter.
28/02/2005, 7:21 PM
sylvo

[QUOTE=Conor74]Time to bail out of this one

Conor whats wrong, is it because you came on with the the same old wind up and ended up getting a little cross yerself instead. :eek:

Ahh come on Conor do stay, I want to hear about that time when Mark Walters got all that abuse, I've heard your the man to ask about what happened. ;)
28/02/2005, 7:25 PM
sylvo

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

I think its high time the FAI banned all Glasgow Celtic jerseys at LAndsdowne Road

I liked to have seen them try that ban about 15-16 years ago, we would have been playing to a half empty stadium.
28/02/2005, 7:37 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

I think its high time the FAI banned all Glasgow Celtic jerseys at LAndsdowne Road

Look thats just stupid, people can wear whatever they like to a football match and who the hell are you to tell them otherwise..
I'm sick of people in the forum going on here about celtic jerseys, get over it..

Do you actually realise some people actualy support the club for the soccer team and not what they 'think' the club stands for.. Ya there are the yobs that couldn't name 2 players on the team that wear the jersey cause they think in some stupid way it's fightin for the cause thats crap but please do not brand everyone the same..

I do not wear my celtic jersey to Ireland internationals because I have a lovely ireland jersey but on the cold days I do wear my celtic hoodie, mostly because its really warm and its green, like to wear somethin with the color and god help anyone who tried to tell me I couldn't wear it because it says Celtic on it...
:mad:
Why not tell all the people who wear Eircom League, English league and GAA jerseys not to wear them.. Sure we can just ban all Jerseys bar the Ireland Jersey would you like that..
Please Grow up :mad:

Rant now over :D
28/02/2005, 8:34 PM
liam88

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Originally Posted by Conor74

but names will never hurt me'

Never been called a dirty Irish f**k have you Conor?
28/02/2005, 10:38 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by sylvo

Conor whats wrong, is it because you came on with the the same old wind up and ended up getting a little cross yerself instead. :eek:

Ahh come on Conor do stay, I want to hear about that time when Mark Walters got all that abuse, I've heard your the man to ask about what happened. ;)

Hey Silvs, c'mon now. Don't be taking the p*ss. BTW, did I ever tell you the story of Mark Walters having a load of fruit thrown at him at Parkhead about the time me and Conchita started getting together? Yeah, I had hair then. And wasn't a fat b*stard either. And was into George Michael too: long before, you know, he got his mickey out in Kingsbury Green bogs. Mind you, always thought that Japanese salt was a bit too butch though. :cool: :rolleyes:
01/03/2005, 10:08 AM
sylvo

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Originally Posted by Eire06

Look thats just stupid, people can wear whatever they like to a football match and who the hell are you to tell them otherwise..
I'm sick of people in the forum going on here about celtic jerseys, get over it..

Do you actually realise some people actualy support the club for the soccer team and not what they 'think' the club stands for.. Ya there are the yobs that couldn't name 2 players on the team that wear the jersey cause they think in some stupid way it's fightin for the cause thats crap but please do not brand everyone the same..

I do not wear my celtic jersey to Ireland internationals because I have a lovely ireland jersey but on the cold days I do wear my celtic hoodie, mostly because its really warm and its green, like to wear somethin with the color and god help anyone who tried to tell me I couldn't wear it because it says Celtic on it...
:mad:
Why not tell all the people who wear Eircom League, English league and GAA jerseys not to wear them.. Sure we can just ban all Jerseys bar the Ireland Jersey would you like that..
Please Grow up :mad:

Rant now over :D

Well said, I love these people who go around telling people what they can and can't wear to a match.
01/03/2005, 10:11 AM
sylvo

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Originally Posted by lopez

Hey Silvs, c'mon now. Don't be taking the p*ss. BTW, did I ever tell you the story of Mark Walters having a load of fruit thrown at him at Parkhead about the time me and Conchita started getting together? Yeah, I had hair then. And wasn't a fat b*stard either. And was into George Michael too: long before, you know, he got his mickey out in Kingsbury Green bogs. Mind you, always thought that Japanese salt was a bit too butch though. :cool: :rolleyes:

Yea I suppose it would have been around that time, agree with you about the salt that was a strange double act.
01/03/2005, 10:31 AM
lopez

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Originally Posted by sylvo

Yea I suppose it would have been around that time, agree with you about the salt that was a strange double act.

I knew there was something funny about him, er, her. Mind you, you couldn't tell Javier Bardem from the Crown about them which kind of like didn't soften the blow to him with that incident in Santa Monica with a member of LA's finest. :D Btw, Sylvs, did you know that Mark Walters had a banana...
01/03/2005, 11:21 AM
Junior

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Originally Posted by sylvo

Well said, I love these people who go around telling people what they can and can't wear to a match.

Come on now Sylv, bow down to the 'Real' fans.
01/03/2005, 1:05 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Junior

Come on now Sylv, bow down to the 'Real' fans.

Just bought a Celtic (away) top for �7.99 in your old stamping ground, Junior. At that price I might have bought a 'Gers top if they had any left. :eek: :D Can't wait for the next Ireland game to wear it.
01/03/2005, 6:48 PM
sylvo

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Originally Posted by Junior

Come on now Sylv, bow down to the 'Real' fans.

I'm almost jealous of The fashion Police that are wanting doormen on the turnstyles at LR to inforce a dress code, it must be great to be young again and not be old enough to remember when half the stadiums used to wear that certain teams shirt ;) , As I think back on those days I even remember we even had a bit of life in LR.

Come to think of it, those were the days. :)
04/03/2005, 2:06 AM
AmenToThat

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:D :D

Anyway, surely that Panorama crowd made some mistake. From the Celtic apologists here it seems like there is a great programme to be made about Leeds United fans. How dare they turn their cameras on Celtic when a good few contributors here could have assured them there was nothing to see and the real nasty stuff is all elsewhere, or was years ago, or is never spoken about...

What exactly did they show abotu Celtic on panorama that makes the fans such nuts?

A Republican march through Glasgow city centre.....what does this have to do with Celtic fc, maybe they were sponsoring it?

Fans singing the 'Boys of the old Brigade'?
Show me an Irishman that hasnt sang that one and Ill show you a liar!
Political it may be in relation to a football match, but secterian it isnt.

O yes some 16 year old in a detention centre and some kids throwing stones, hardly likely to be attending Celtics games any of them..........specially the 16 year old as hes locked up 24/7.

A load of lads going to casualty after fighting or getting jumped on.............could be any major town in Ireland on a weekend night.

The program was a crock of **** and sensationalist and if thats all the BBC with all its resources could come up with to discredit the good name of Celtic fc then its about bloody time that Tony Blair revolked their charter as they cant lie to save their lives.

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