No Anthony Gerrard for ROI

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Originally Posted by Peadar

There is no national team registered with FIFA or UEFA under the name "Ireland".

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There should be - FIFA and UEFA as we all know are far from infallible and they are mistaken here. Look at our Constitution, which we 'gave unto ourselves' (not wanting to sound all tearful and patriotic here, but it is the definitive document in this regard). There is no political entity as the ROI. Ireland exists as a nation of 32 counties, and as a State of 26 counties - the rugby team represents the former, and the soccer team the latter. However, the Constitution is unequivocal - the name of the State is 'Ireland'. Not ROI. Yes, the nature of that State is a republic, just like the English state is a monarchy. Would it be right to call the English team the Monarchy of England - the MOE?

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Originally Posted by TerryPhelan

Would it be right to call the English team the Monarchy of England - the MOE?

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No need, there's only one "England" team, thankfully.
Since there are two national football teams on the island of Ireland, there had to be a distinction between them.
I don't think it's political, simply for administration purposes.

It certainly doesn't bother me in the slightest because it often serves as a reminder to persons abroad who may consider Ireland as part of Britain.

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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

Very funny there Stuttgart, yer a gas man altogether! I just like happy people who speak when they're spoken to. Not complete w@nkers who think they're God's gift (yet play for Spurs - at the time). :D

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It better not be Keano your refering to... :mad: :mad:
He is God's gift by the way.. and I found him very nice.. :D :D

very very very nice yummmy to be exact.
mmmmmmmmmm Robbie Keane

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Originally Posted by Eire06

very very very nice yummmy to be exact.
mmmmmmmmmm Robbie Keane

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Well if you're having Robbie, I'm having his missus.
Yummy with sugar on top... ;)

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Well if you're having Robbie, I'm having his missus.
Yummy with sugar on top... ;)

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It can be arranged... We can help each other out ;)

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Originally Posted by Eire06

We can help each other out ;)

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I hope you don't mean in a tag team type scenario? :eek: :D

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Originally Posted by TerryPhelan

There is no political entity as the ROI.

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The confusion arises from the The Government of Ireland Act 1948 section 2:

It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.

and the fact that the government over the years has used that description willy-nilly.

More recently Comhairle has written:

The Irish and British governments have agreed to use the official names by which each state describes itself. (This agreement was made at the same time as the British-Irish Agreement).

The correct name for this country is Ireland, not the 'Republic of Ireland'. Eire is correct when writing or speaking in the Irish language but not otherwise.

Northern Ireland is correct, not the 'Six Counties' or Ulster.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (or UK for short) is also correct. Britain is not correct but 'British' is the appropriate adjective.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

I hope you don't mean in a tag team type scenario? :eek: :D

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Whatever it takes.... :D
And I mean ANYTHING :p :p

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Originally Posted by TerryPhelan

Check our constitution. The Nation of Ireland is the whole island, as represented by our happily less-politicised rugby team. However, the State of Ireland is the 26 counties, represented by the footy team. The name of the State, however, is 'Ireland'. There is no such entity as the Republic of Ireland or ROI.

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whatever the constitution or anything else says, there should be a distinction made between Ireland, and the 26 county state and its representatives.

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Originally Posted by 1MickCollins

The confusion arises from the The Government of Ireland Act 1948 section 2:

It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.

and the fact that the government over the years has used that description willy-nilly.

More recently Comhairle has written:

The Irish and British governments have agreed to use the official names by which each state describes itself. (This agreement was made at the same time as the British-Irish Agreement).

The correct name for this country is Ireland, not the 'Republic of Ireland'. Eire is correct when writing or speaking in the Irish language but not otherwise.

Northern Ireland is correct, not the 'Six Counties' or Ulster.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (or UK for short) is also correct. Britain is not correct but 'British' is the appropriate adjective.

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Good stuff. I would point out that 'the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland': the 'Republic of Ireland' is a description of the type of State Ireland has - it isn't the title of our country. Accordingly, and as you pointed out with regard to the British-Irish Agreement, this should be acknowledged and adhered to. So why Sky Sports insists on referring to 'Eire' and 'ROI' but not 'Ireland' irks me some. In the immortal words of Bishop Len Brennan, "you address me by my proper title, ye little ********!" :mad:

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Originally Posted by TerryPhelan

So why Sky Sports insists on referring to 'Eire' and 'ROI' but not 'Ireland' irks me some.

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They're talking about the football team not the Political State.

I can never understand why people waste so much energy and emotion hating stuff and getting angry about stuff when, ultimately, the only one who will suffer from that negative energy is themselves.

GET OVER IT!

What bugs me is when people, including the Irish media now, refer to us simply as "The Republic".

I'm sure our official footballing title is the Republic of Ireland so as not to confuse far away countries who have no idea about Ireland's history. As Peadar says, it's only for administrative purposes.

But when our own people and our close neighbours call us "The Republic" instead of "Ireland" or any variation thereof I find it really annoying. Even some current players do it I think (Matt Holland?).

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Originally Posted by Peadar

I can never understand why people waste so much energy and emotion hating stuff and getting angry about stuff when, ultimately, the only one who will suffer from that negative energy is themselves.

GET OVER IT!

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What like people in Ireland supporting British based clubs? come on now can you really not understand it.........................

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Originally Posted by Junior

What like people in Ireland supporting British based clubs?

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What do you mean, Irish people who follow a British club but ignore their local eL club?

That doesn't make me mad.
I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have a club they can call their own.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

What do you mean, Irish people who follow a British club but ignore their local eL club?

That doesn't make me mad.
I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have a club they can call their own.

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as Eamon McCann said "Someday there'll be support groups for these people." :D

If Vinnie Jones was Welsh then I'm sure anyone can prove they're Irish. My grandmother was born in 1921 in Cork, does that mean I could play for Northern Ireland?

this is such a let down hope the fai look into this coz he is class as an evertonian im more excited about him coming through than i was about rooney and we know how good he was for everton ! miles better than he is for utd

either Gerrard has a poor memory or there have been developments in acquiring the necessary documentation

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...794381,00.html

He would not be a bad addition he is as good if not better than St.Ledger in my opinion and i've seen a fair bit of him in action.

Kept McShane out of the Hull team, has to be an improvement...

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Originally Posted by Strongbow10

either Gerrard has a poor memory or there have been developments in acquiring the necessary documentation
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...794381,00.html

He would not be a bad addition he is as good if not better than St.Ledger in my opinion and i've seen a fair bit of him in action.

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The Liverpool-born defender has represented the Republic at Under 18 level having qualified to play for the country because of his grandmother.