Portadown Vs Rovers....trouble

exactly spot on.
if youre going to live by the bullet expect to die by it too.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Without wanting to turn this into a CliftonVILE thread, almost all the trouble thats been caused in the Brandy since we joined the LOI has been caused by a group of Cliftonville fans "supporting" Rovers when they play us.

Having been to Portadown more than enough times, as well as having seen enough IL games to know which teams I don't like, I'm well aware by now that Portadown is a bitter hole of a place and I wouldn't go out of my way to visit it. BUT the shiny shellsuit and cheap jewellery wearing crowd from Belfast are no angels as well and the association of some of their fans with Rovers is well known.

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You seen Cliftonville fans act loopy, I've seen them be some of the best and most welcoming fans I've ever met. Does this have any bearing on Portadown people attacking Cliftonville buses before they had a chance to get to the ground?

Indeed they have an association with Rovers, as was pointed out to me quite proudly by a balding Cliftonville fan in his fourties, who wore neither shell suit or Ralf Lauren, (indeed he may have been in Farah slacks :eek: ) and was most certainly up for wrecking the Brandywell or any other ground in the north. Anyway I'll say no more as this is the Cork City page.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Before getting all wound up, try reading my post again. Not scanning it, getting too excited and rushing back with an ill thought out response, but actually reading it.

I specifically said I've no real problem with whatever Cliftonville fans do - it certainly is no better or worse than what a lot of fans of clubs do. Just merely pointing out the extremely obvious, that such actions could add to the tension, but certainly not making any judgment of Cliftonville fans at all nor suggesting that they deserve any hassle.

It's more than a little silly to write a 12 line response, replete with unfunny references to 'Ballynwestbrit county Kerry', to a point I never made in the first place.

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It seemed to sound pretty clear to me Conor my man, firstly Cliftonville fans have had to pay on a few occasions for that colourful power walking team and hangers on not getting their own way with regarding the Drumcree situation.

On a number of occasions roads into grounds have been blocked by local residents stopping them from getting to games, as well as buses being attacked by organised gangs, so this whole thing of waving Tricolour's with IRA on them is a bit over the top.

I read most of the reports from the Northern papers after that incident where the buses were attacked and none of them say anything about anything other then thugs attacking football fans on buses with rocks and bricks. Maybe the media in the South may have seen it totally different. Wouldn't be the first time. ;)

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Originally Posted by lopez

Look lads: If they're not in the Free State,

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Where is that Lopez pray tell? The Irish Free State has not existed since 1949 !

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Originally Posted by lopez

they're not f*cking Irish. Cop yourself on willya, Sylvs! ;)

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I would refer you to Article 2 (as amended) of Bunreacht na hEireann as regards what constitutes Irish.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Before getting all wound up, try reading my post again. Not scanning it, getting too excited and rushing back with an ill thought out response, but actually reading it.

I specifically said I've no real problem with whatever Cliftonville fans do - it certainly is no better or worse than what a lot of fans of clubs do. Just merely pointing out the extremely obvious, that such actions could add to the tension, but certainly not making any judgment of Cliftonville fans at all nor suggesting that they deserve any hassle.

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Unless you were trying to be sarcastic and failing miserably, I thought your original post was straight to the point. '...a tricolour with IRA written across it on the Cliftonville bus...' without a offering a source for this information (take it you weren't there) and claiming 'they have a certain tradition.' I always thought that Cliftonville were a Protestant run team to which geographics - and the dissolution of Belfast's largest Catholic club - have transformed into a team with a large Catholic support. Is this officially sanctioned because of 'tradition'?

Imagine the response here if I were to smear all tans with the FACT that game after game their fans bring along flags of the UVF (who murdered six Irish fans watching the Ireland v Italy game in 1994, but then as they were all from outside the free state that's OK*) or flags supplemented with Volunteer Force to their home town as that tw*t who was pictured in amongst the scum ten years ago at Lansdowne Road. Pictures which have appeared in 442 or live on TV last summer from Portugal and yet nothing is done to remove them. LOL. :D The sanctimonious finger pointing from yourself, Macy, DG and the other self-appointed guardians against bigotry in Ireland would have me in tears. :rolleyes: No, Lopez, tut, tut, tut, you're generalising, bogitted (sic.), chip on shoulder, etc. Wonderful fans these. I think that's where the Ballywestbrit comes in.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Where is that Lopez pray tell? The Irish Free State has not existed since 1949 !

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It exists in many people's minds, both on this board and in Ireland generally. I heard while over in the US in 1994 that Eamon Dopey, while in a Manhatten bar, spotted a group of Northerners and asked what they were doing in New York. When they replied 'to watch our country play' he told them that he thought NI had not qualified. Educated (allegedly) man like that and coming out with this a piece of ingorance.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

I would refer you to Article 2 (as amended) of Bunreacht na hEireann as regards what constitutes Irish.

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Didn't you catch my sarcasm there? Apologies but it seems as woefully useless as Conor's attempts at it were. I've put an asterisk above for you to point out where I'm trying to be sarcastic again, as I am trying here too. :o :o :rolleyes:

This argument is going around in circles, and seems to have little, if anything to do with CCFC.

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