Dundalk's Riches and Euro Riches in General- Implications for the League

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Originally Posted by paykanti

they really ought to just boost Horgan's wages to championship level and either secure a top talent for the coming years or at least a fair compensation were he to rightly leave to bigger things.

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That would mean paying him about 5k per week!!!

No offence but that's way too much for any LOI side to be paying anyone. The absolute max any Dundalk player should earn over the coming years is 1.5 - 2k per week imho. With that budget they could still be dominant domestically for years to come.

By all means give the lads a few grand each as a bonus for their progression in the CL but pls for the love of god don't lose the run of yourselves and start offering 3 yr contracts on massive wages.

Lads don't be jealous dundalk have worked extremely hard on and especially off the pitch from the first division not so long ago to the very top of the premier league and now progressing in Europe.
Whatever millions they will get they fully deserve it and have worked hard for it don't begrudge them it's up to other teams now to try copy there model of success.
Cork is sold out aswell there doing a good job down there aswell.

Another team limerick fc seem to be going the way of dundalk in regards off the field matters there doing enormous amount of work in the city and county there attendances are excellent concidering there playing very poor opposition they have a fantastic stadium there doing things the right way and it's showing on the field aswell promotion ( just about) and a cup final also still in fai cup.

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Originally Posted by Philosophizer

That would mean paying him about 5k per week!!!

No offence but that's way too much for any LOI side to be paying anyone. The absolute max any Dundalk player should earn over the coming years is 1.5 - 2k per week imho. With that budget they could still be dominant domestically for years to come.

By all means give the lads a few grand each as a bonus for their progression in the CL but pls for the love of god don't lose the run of yourselves and start offering 3 yr contracts on massive wages.

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It's what's needed if they're looking to progress beyond simply winning the LOI every season. They have a top quality talent at the minute on their books, if he goes, replacing his quality is very difficult so take the opportunity now to try and tempt these players to prolong their stay by offering them their market rate. Obviously giving him the 5k as opposed to 1k will cost them 250K a year (plus the added costs of others wanting to have their wages increased) but the risk is far less than handing out contracts to the likes of McGeady and what-not.

It is the natural next step to progression once they've got their bigger priorities like the infrastructure and stuff in place.

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Originally Posted by paykanti

Obviously giving him the 5k as opposed to 1k will cost them 250K a year (plus the added costs of others wanting to have their wages increased) but the risk is far less than handing out contracts to the likes of McGeady and what-not.

It is the natural next step to progression once they've got their bigger priorities like the infrastructure and stuff in place.

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This is the type of mindset that lead to the boom and bust of many LOI clubs in the past. Success followed by mindless splurging, followed by debt, bankruptcy and in many cases extinction.

As others have said, the majority of money should be spent on the stadium, training facilities, underage, marketing and community endeavours. By all means they can afford to increase their playing budget too but the day Dundalk players earn anything near 5k a wk is the day the club have signed their own death cert.

Not sure why ppl are mentioning McGeady. He doesn't strike me as the type of person that Stephen Kenny would want. Kenny prefers to work with younger hungry players. He doesn't want old guys coming to the end of their careers. I'd hope Dundalk go nowhere near the likes of him.

dundalk's earnings completely dwarf the money that Rovers received in 2011 so to compare them is not the best example.

they wont improve the ground because its not theirs , so it will be spent on bonuses , wages and travel for euopean games.
7 million will take awhile longer to blow than €1.5 but i'm sure they'll get there!

as for the idea that dundalk share their money around the league, I'm sure they'd say "get stuffed", and are well within their rights to do that.
If clubs are being badly then they need to be removed from the league once and for all , and a viable 10-12 league established.

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Originally Posted by Philosophizer

This is the type of mindset that lead to the boom and bust of many LOI clubs in the past. Success followed by mindless splurging, followed by debt, bankruptcy and in many cases extinction.

As others have said, the majority of money should be spent on the stadium, training facilities, underage, marketing and community endeavours. By all means they can afford to increase their playing budget too but the day Dundalk players earn anything near 5k a wk is the day the club have signed their own death cert.

Not sure why ppl are mentioning McGeady. He doesn't strike me as the type of person that Stephen Kenny would want. Kenny prefers to work with younger hungry players. He doesn't want old guys coming to the end of their careers. I'd hope Dundalk go nowhere near the likes of him.

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Exactly Kenny always wants player who want to improve themselves and buy into the training and fitness regime

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Originally Posted by placid casual

they wont improve the ground because its not theirs , so it will be spent on bonuses , wages and travel for euopean games.
7 million will take awhile longer to blow than €1.5 but i'm sure they'll get there!

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They're currently in a legal dispute to try to gain ownership of the lease. Sorting that or else acquiring a brand new site to develop is their main priority. There's no chance they'll spunk their winnings away like others have done. They seem to be better run than previous LOI clubs who have had success.

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Is there any guarantee of this though? As a matter of interest- is there a trust or fans group at DFC looking to influence club policy?

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Rovers proposed something like this a few years back when we'd have been the ones losing out and it was voted down!

What did Shams spend their money on in the end? I know there is a big difference in the sum, but a lot of people had the same fear about them dominating. That didn't turn out so well.

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Originally Posted by Nugget

What did Shams spend their money on in the end? I know there is a big difference in the sum, but a lot of people had the same fear about them dominating. That didn't turn out so well.

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Paying Stephen Kenny off would have taken a decent chunk of money I'd imagine.

Paying off Trevor Croly.

Paying off Pat Fenlon.

You get the picture.

Croly had three months left on his deal and was just paid as normal. Kenny got a job right away and settled. Most of the money went into the temporary stand, paying for the away trips and the youth system. The rest was slowly drained by the first team.

The evidence to date is that the current Dundalk owners will not blow the Euro money on player wages. Apart from the improvements required at Oriel Park, they share Kenny’s vision, the end result of which is to dominate Irish football and through that to generate a future Euro cash flow. Whether in the Champions League or the Europa League, it is difficult to see Dundalk not being in the first three in the League for the foreseeable future. With an annual Euro reward of between €4k and €6k, over the next half dozen seasons that’s worth another €3 million, thus re-enforcing the dominant position.
That’s the danger for other LOI clubs, not the once and for all 2016 €7 million.

This thread reminds of how around 2006/7 all the so called experts told us our new found wealth would continue , that ".. Things are different this time.." , how the economy at worst "..Would have a soft landing..." etc. And we all know what happened

So we'll see

And we all remember rovers fans in 2011 talking about them being the model club built on a solid foundation and ready to dominate the loi for years to come and this was only the beginning.

The truth is that the prize money already attained by dundalk will mostly go to much needed ground improvements or looking into a greenfield site if oriel is to costly to get up to standard. 7m will not cover it imo.
So it's a bonus an unbelievable one but we are not or I am not getting away with it. A fantastic opportunity for some forward planning and a terrific facility like tallaght, turners cross or the showgies

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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

The truth is that the prize money already attained by dundalk will mostly go to much needed ground improvements or looking into a greenfield site if oriel is to costly to get up to standard. 7m will not cover it imo.
So it's a bonus an unbelievable one but we are not or I am not getting away with it. A fantastic opportunity for some forward planning and a terrific facility like tallaght, turners cross or the showgies

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You're probably right, jinxy. However if they were go get through to the group stages then they really would swimmin in dosh...

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Originally Posted by Philosophizer

You're probably right, jinxy. However if they were go get through to the group stages then they really would swimmin in dosh...

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A new stadium wouldn't be cheap. I'm sure the money could go very quickly.

everyone seems to be saying this Dundalk board are too smart to waste the money. Is there any particular reason for this honest question not trying to be cheeky just don't know very much about their board and was wondering if they had done something in particular to get this sort of perception.

Dundalk board and owners certainly showed their smarts back in 2012 when convincing Stephen Kenny to sign up

Erm.. he was one of the highest rated managers in the league even if his time at Rovers had gone poorly. So that doesn't really answer the question. European success doesn't automatically mean you have a great board.. just look at Shels.