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17/12/2004, 12:25 PM
JohnB

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Originally Posted by patsh

So we have two choices:
1. Do we sink to the level of the IRA and say unfair trials are perfectly ok, as in IRA "kangaroo courts", or
2. Do we stay civilised and believe that everybody, regardless of objectionable the crime, political affiliation or personal beliefs of the accused are, is entitled to a fair trial?
I know which type of society I prefer.

Yip, I agree with that also. But I have no sympathy with the three and, I hope their lives are **** for years to come. Whether they are convicted or not means nothing to me in terms of their guilt. NI is littered with people involved in terrorism but who could not be tried or found guilty. I hope they rot.

The case against was always going to be hard to prove, particularly since republican terrorists are so adept at avoiding detection and FARQ tend to operate out of jungle areas. Whatever the outcome was, there would always be doubts either way.

BUT

FARQ employ PIRA tactics to murder. Three republicans found with FARQ. Sorry, but they deserve whatever they get.
17/12/2004, 12:43 PM
dortie

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Originally Posted by JohnB

But they knew that the effect of killing people was much greater than simply blowing up an inanimate object. Win, win I suppose, especially when there are people as gullible as yourself about.

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Ive never read as much nonsense in my entire life. Every Innocent life lost in an IRA act was seen by all republicans as a tragedy and a 'set-back'. Yeah it makes sense for a movement to lose support with such acts. Think about what you are saying.

Im far from gullible, I made my own mind up from what I heard and seen through my life. Wasnt hard.

Going Off-topic, but sure you have intended to do that no doubt.
17/12/2004, 1:08 PM
patsh

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Originally Posted by JohnB

But I have no sympathy with the three and, I hope their lives are **** for years to come. Whether they are convicted or not means nothing to me in terms of their guilt. NI is littered with people involved in terrorism but who could not be tried or found guilty. I hope they rot.

The case against was always going to be hard to prove, particularly since republican terrorists are so adept at avoiding detection and FARQ tend to operate out of jungle areas. Whatever the outcome was, there would always be doubts either way.

BUT

FARQ employ PIRA tactics to murder. Three republicans found with FARQ. Sorry, but they deserve whatever they get.

So JohnB's Kangaroo Court is all that matters to you. You have your mind made up, and nothing will change it. I really hope you never get called for jury duty.....:rolleyes:
17/12/2004, 1:10 PM
Rovers Fellow!

Colombia is one of the most corrupt places in the world. Never mind Farc. The establisment of that country is rotten to the core. The 3 lads over there have served more than theyre sentence. Theres too many people involved in the case with its own interests, i.e. the Americans and theyre so-called war on 'terror'. They have butted in earlier in the case with evidence claiming the 3 of them were involved with farc on a certain date, a date which has since proven the 3 men werent even in Colombia. Mary Harneys comments today were a disgrace. Her and her party have done absolutely nothing for peace process and 6 counties. She's nearly as bad as Paisley Junior who today claims the men deserve to serve the 17 years. Perhaps Colombia is the place that Unionism got its ideas in running the 6 counites in the discriminative, fascist way they did for so long.
17/12/2004, 2:07 PM
JohnB

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Originally Posted by Silvio

How tolerent of you...:D

True, I could have wished them death to match their victims.
17/12/2004, 2:12 PM
JohnB

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Originally Posted by patsh

So JohnB's Kangaroo Court is all that matters to you. You have your mind made up, and nothing will change it. I really hope you never get called for jury duty.....:rolleyes:

You're not getting it are you? I'm not on jury duty and I'm not therefore restricted by what is and, what is not beyond reasonable doubt. I can deal in probabilities and, it is extremely probable that the three FARCers were helping FARC to kill.
17/12/2004, 2:27 PM
patsh

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Originally Posted by JohnB

You're not getting it are you? I'm not on jury duty and I'm not therefore restricted by what is and, what is not beyond reasonable doubt. I can deal in probabilities and, it is extremely probable that the three FARCers were helping FARC to kill.

Whose "probabilities"? Yours?
The trial didn't show up any of these probabilities, so it's actually predujice you are dealing in.
17/12/2004, 2:33 PM
JohnB

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Originally Posted by dortie

Every Innocent life lost in an IRA act was seen by all republicans as a tragedy and a 'set-back'.

The tragedy is that you actually believe that. Even if you think that Omagh, Enniskillen, Warrington, La Mon etc etc are excusable (although how you can is beyond me), the truth is that the IRA in its various guises have murdered hundreds of the people it supposedly protects (about a quarter of its victims according to CAIN).

Now, we're meant to have sympathy for members of this organisation who (lets face it FFS) have been passing on their knowledge?
17/12/2004, 2:40 PM
JohnB

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Originally Posted by patsh

Whose "probabilities"? Yours?
The trial didn't show up any of these probabilities, so it's actually predujice you are dealing in.

They've just been convicted, but if you prefer the judgement of the trial, be my guest.
17/12/2004, 2:42 PM
JohnB

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Originally Posted by Silvio

So now you're claiming that these three men have victims???

Go finish your paper round son...

Ah good, becoming irritated. Yes, they do have victims. Those people in Bogota and beyond who have died because of PIRA's expertise.
17/12/2004, 2:45 PM
gspain

I find it hard to have any sympathy for them or indeed to think of another reason why they could have been there. I don't think SF/IRA have given any credible reason why they were there. Your average bird watcher does not go to a warzone on a false passport not that I know any bird watchers. :D

I think it is highly probable that they were there to train FARC in bomb making particularly as one is the elading IRA weapons expert.

Was there enough evidence to convict them in a court of law here? Probably not however You visit a country and you are bound by the legal system there.
17/12/2004, 2:54 PM
Macy

They deserve a fair trial, whatever reason they had for being there (for which is hard to find a justifable reason for travelling on false passports).

Dortie, has the IRA ever apologised for killing civilians? I can only remember them/ sinn fein saying they "regret" the killings rather than actually apologising....
17/12/2004, 3:50 PM
exile

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Originally Posted by Silvio

Yet another sheep lead by the nose by MI6 propaganda...

you must be takin all those drugs the scum fein/ira are takin off all those dealers and selling themselves :rolleyes:
17/12/2004, 3:55 PM
exile

17yrs in a bannana republic jail would be tough lets be honest here if you were in their postion you would do a runner too .
but in saying that these 3 men 1 of whom him and his family live 5 min away are prominent scum fein members in my area
WHAT EXACTLY WERE 3 SCUM FEINERS DOING TRAVELLING ON FALSE PASSPORTS IN COUNTRY KNOWN FOR ITS BRUTAL TERRORISM :confused:
CAN ANYONE ANSWER ME THAT
18/12/2004, 12:05 PM
exile

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Originally Posted by Silvio

Well 'tuff guy'. If it walks like and sheep and posts like a sheep then it probably is a sheep...;)

MI6 must be proud...

if it murders tortures and kills like a terrorist then it must be terrorist ;) :rolleyes: well i suppose it could be a nazi too
18/12/2004, 12:55 PM
exile

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Originally Posted by Silvio

Are you talking about the reign of death and torture carried out by the Michael Collins on the British forces and its agents during 1921 here...;)

silvio i have had a look through your posts and you have had not one contructive thing to say all you seem to be doing is goading people your obviuosly a person of very limited thinking the people who have argued for pro sinn fein have at least something constructive to say.
so you keyboard warrior why dont you **** off and be an idiot somwhere else
18/12/2004, 2:33 PM
exile

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Originally Posted by Silvio

Your floundering in your own twisted, incosistant logic sunshine. i'll leave you alone as its becomming embarassing...

you still here key board warrior yyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnn nnnnn
18/12/2004, 9:36 PM
Partizan

I have the feeling the 3 boys are in Cuba having being smuggled out through Venezuela. However I'd be surprised if they turned up in Ireland since INTERPOL have issued an internatonal arrest for their capture and the political pressure heaped on the Irish government in particular from Dubya would be too much for Bertie.

Thats my ten cents worth, but then again sh1t happens.
18/12/2004, 9:58 PM
liam88

Lads no names mentioned but let's respect each other here-some stuff is getting a bit personal and obviously upsetting to some people.
Hopefully some JUSTICE is going to come out of this-i.e. a proper investigation is going to be carried out and (if necessary) suitable sentance give................heck, the people of Columbia and Northern Ireland have both been denied justice before now :(

Tuff Paddy......I hope none of us ever have to see what you saw, don't really no what else to say-cept you were v. brave being there.
19/12/2004, 6:27 PM
dortie

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Originally Posted by JohnB

The tragedy is that you actually believe that.

Yep, I do actually believe that. 100% !

And the likes of you wont change my mind either.

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