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Had a look at the Champions league teams and possible opponents for St Pats should be based on historical evidence as discussed above ( it may not work that way ) would be:
Celtic (Sco)
Legia Warsaw (Pol)
BATE Borisov (Bel)
HJK Helsinki (Fin)
FK Ventspils (Lat)
Plus 1 other - anything from Maribor to Quarabag.
Edit - with 34 teams in the 2nd round it is possible there may only be 5 possible opponents with 10 teams in the "Northern" pot and 12 teams in the other 2 pots.
We might get away with avoiding BATE. I'd expect Sparta Prague to be in our pot ahead of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
I don't know, Pats will master BATE no problem I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Anyone know how Derry "appear" to have gone from unseeded to seeded in recent days?
Unseeded says Bert .... http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/...eedel2014.html
Seeded says Wiki .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2...alifying_round
Is it just a Wiki typo?
Looks like a Wiki typo. Bert is correct. Derry's co-efficient is 1.525; not 2.525.
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
SSHHH - don;t tell UEFA. Derry seem to have sneaked in as 37th with the top 39 seeded as 78 clubs. They have us at 2.525
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague...d=2117513.html
Think UEFA have allowed Derry to keep their point from the Paris St Germain game a few years ago - that equates to difference.
Strange one as their lower coefficient was used last year (1.465)
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague...d=1960236.html
Paris St Germain is too long ago, but I think I've worked it out, and I hate to say it but the legend that is Bert Kassies seems to have it wrong. Looking here he has Derry in the rankings twice.
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/...trank2014.html
They should be ranked a bit higher than Dundalk just because they participated last year. I think Bert had it wrong, Wiki picked it up from Bert and now UEFA has it right, which is great news for Derry and the league
PSG was nearly ten years ago, so of course it doesn't count. Only the last five seasons count towards the co-efficient. UEFA don't deem the current club and the club who played against PSG as the same entity anyway, or am I mistaken on that?
Derry's co-efficient is 1.525: http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/art...icient-system/
Holy Christ, you're right. Time flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
If uefa are saying Derry's coefficient is a point higher then they have to be counting 09/10. When we beat skonto before going out in third qualifying round to CSKA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Course they could have two entries in their database, like Bert, and be using the wrong one
Yep time does fly - but it was a point 5 years ago - as someone said must be Skonto.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
The last couple of seasons the club coefficient has been based on round reached, rather than games won, so just qualifying and losing or better still just qualifying for the second round and losing, earns you points.
UEFA say Derry are seeded.
Group 5
1 FC Differdange 03 (LUX)
2 Rosenborg BK (NOR)
3 IF Brommapojkarna (SWE)
4 Linfield FC (NIR)
5 Derry City FC (IRL)
6 JK Nõmme Kalju (EST)
7 FK Jelgava (LVA)
8 Fram Reykjavík (ISL)
9 B36 Tórshavn (FRO)
10 VPS Vaasa (FIN)
11 Aberystwyth Town FC (WAL)
12 FK Atlantas (LTU)
Group 6
1 Aberdeen FC (SCO)
2 AS Jeunesse Esch (LUX)
3 Tromsø IL (NOR)
4 FK Ekranas (LTU)
5 Myllykosken Pallo-47 (FIN)
6 Bangor City FC (WAL)
7 Dundalk FC (IRL)
8 Stjarnan (ISL)
9 Crusaders FC (NIR)
10 Tartu FC Santos (EST)
11 ÍF Fuglafjørdur (FRO)
12 FK Daugava Rīga (LVA)
Group 7
1 FH Hafnarfjördur (ISL)
2 IFK Göteborg (SWE)
3 FC Honko Espoo (FIN)
4 Sligo Rovers FC (IRL)
5 FK Haugesund (NOR)
6 FC Daugava Daugavpils (LVA)
7 CS Fola Esch (LUX)
8 Víkingur (FRO)
9 FK Banga (LTU)
10 JK Sillamäe Kalev (EST)
11 AUK Broughton FC (WAL)
12 Glenavon FC (NIR)
Some nice potential draws there, even for Dundalk, the only unseeded LoI team. In fact, there's no-one there that Sligo or Derry should be particularly concerned about. (Though I've no doubt the unseeded teams will be looking for Sligo/Derry themselves)
And for Pat's in the Champions' League -
Group 3
FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU)
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
PFC Ludogorets Razgrab (BUL)
Legia Warszawa (POL)
Qarabağ FK (AZE)
HJK Helsini (FIN)
F91 Dudelange (LUX)
Strømsgodset IF (NOR)
Saint Patrick's Athletic (IRL)
Valletta FC (MLT)
VMFD Žalgiris (LTU)
I don't know how that works with an odd number of teams. Or maybe a team's missing from the UEFA site.
UEFA doing us no favours again, how we've managed to end up in a different pot to Cliftonville and TNS is beyond me.
Rabotnički from Macedonia are missing from the grouped seeds list. Maybe they are the missing unseeded teams in Pats' group.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Decent enough group for Dundalk, as in I'd have picked Aberdeen, Bangor and Esch in my top 6 favourite opponents! Ekranas would be horrible, Tromso would give us a good chance but a nightmare to get to, MyPa somewhere in the middle for both progressing and travel.
Derry look to have a horrible group logistically, with a couple of tricky opponents. Sligo's is a bit better.
Looks like Pats got bumped out of the usual region to keep the numbers balanced. On the plus side they're in with the seeded HJK which was the best possible draw in terms of progressing- probably the only seed you'd fancy them against.
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