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06/10/2004, 12:14 PM
tiktok

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Recent research suggests that Judas was a representation for the Jewish people and not actually a person. It was also suggested that Barabas and Jesus were the same person. Loads of the myths purported by Christianity have been exposed as too flawed to be credible.
Sorry I can't back this up with references now but it was on the Discovery Channel.

Yeah, i've heard the theory that each apostle represents one each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

There's loads of theories flying about, getting more attention since the mid eighties when it was realised that the church had already taken 30 years to translate the dead sea scrolls and Nag Hammadi Gospels.

Judas Iscariot is meant to be a Greek translated Judas Ist (from) Kerioth, which would have referred to a town in Judea at the time, other version is Judas Sicariot (ancient Greek for knife bearer) being misunderstood as referring to a surname by translators (implying he was a revolutionary of some sort).

In any event, it's a periood of history I'm fascinated by, i'll happily pass along my theories while p1ssed in france :D :D
06/10/2004, 12:21 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Loads of the myths purported by Christianity have been exposed as too flawed to be credible.

Like the myth of a beardy guy who lives in the clouds and controls everything that happens. :D
06/10/2004, 12:21 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by tiktok

i'll happily pass along my theories while p1ssed in france :D :D

Remind me to meet you early on in the day so then :D
When we're p!ssed we can discuss Hillary Duff again... ;)

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Originally Posted by Schumi

Like the myth of a beardy guy who lives in the clouds and controls everything that happens. :D

I don't live in the clouds, just spend a lot of time flying.
Oh, and I shaved this morning...
06/10/2004, 12:26 PM
ccfcman

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Originally Posted by max power

former new yourk mayor gulianni ( spelled wrong i think )

massively dangerous warsupporting republican, our survey said: enh unh!
06/10/2004, 12:43 PM
green goblin

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Recent research suggests that Judas was a representation for the Jewish people and not actually a person. It was also suggested that Barabas and Jesus were the same person. Loads of the myths purported by Christianity have been exposed as too flawed to be credible.
Sorry I can't back this up with references now but it was on the Discovery Channel.

Oh dear, they're not still flogging this old chestnut are they? :confused: There was a suggestion put out about 30 years ago suggesting a link between Jesus and the ascetic Essene movement, and therefore to the Zealots (Simon and Andrew could possibly have been Zealots, Judas almost certainly so). It was all the rage in theological circles in the early eighties, but has now died a slow lingering death for reasons too tedious to go into here. Surprised that the Disco Channel have run out of "Aliens probed my hole" stories so soon. :D
06/10/2004, 12:47 PM
ccfcman

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Sir Walter Raleigh - Where would Ireland be today without the humble potatoe!?

In a better place? There'd have been no mass exodus oh and yeah no famine either.
06/10/2004, 12:49 PM
max power

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Originally Posted by Schumi

Like the myth of a beardy guy who lives in the clouds and controls everything that happens. :D

leave me alone, its only hair !!!!!
06/10/2004, 12:54 PM
green goblin

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Originally Posted by ccfcman

In a better place? There'd have been no mass exodus oh and yeah no famine either.

Too right there wouldn't.
Mind you, the fish n' turnip shop industry would be in a healthier state too.
06/10/2004, 12:56 PM
ccfcman

Aye and we'd never had gotten rid of some people too! Henry Ford was one of them!
06/10/2004, 1:11 PM
tiktok

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Originally Posted by green goblin

It was all the rage in theological circles in the early eighties, but has now died a slow lingering death for reasons too tedious to go into here.

Between you me and Peadar I'm sure we could keep a thread on it going ;) :D
06/10/2004, 1:13 PM
green goblin

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Originally Posted by ccfcman

Aye and we'd never had gotten rid of some people too! Henry Ford was one of them!

Roscarbery's favourite son may well have turned out different though. The entire history of the twentieth century would have been entirely different.
06/10/2004, 1:23 PM
joeSoap

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Originally Posted by ccfcman

massively dangerous warsupporting republican, our survey said: enh unh!

I wouldn't say he was that bad at all actually....
http://www.nyc.gov/html/rwg/html/bio.html
06/10/2004, 1:24 PM
Metrostars

Surprised noone has mentioned Jesus Christ yet.

I would also like to have a chat with John Lennon, Leonardo Da Vinci, Christopher Columbus, Michael Collins, Franklin Roosevelt, Marilyn Monroe.
06/10/2004, 1:26 PM
ccfcman

Did JC ever exist outside of a book?
06/10/2004, 1:28 PM
green goblin

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Originally Posted by Metrostars

Surprised noone has mentioned Jesus Christ yet.

I would also like to have a chat with John Lennon, Leonardo Da Vinci, Christopher Columbus, Michael Collins, Franklin Roosevelt, Marilyn Monroe.

Hey, I did! I'm a good boy!
06/10/2004, 1:34 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by tiktok

Between you me and Peadar I'm sure we could keep a thread on it going ;) :D

I get the impression that he believes in God and all that stuff.
I think that's personal to him so I wont probe him on it. (Excuse the pun in realtion to your alien jibe GG)
We however, could talk about it 'til the cows come home ;)
06/10/2004, 1:37 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by ccfcman

Did JC ever exist outside of a book?

according to a really preachy book I flicked through ...yes.
BUT according to many scholars of early christian texts -the word we've long associated with Carpenter when describing the profession of his earthly foster pop actually means something closer to Architect which paints JCs upbringing in a completely different light ...poor working folk my ass ...probably roman educated ...possibly roman citizens.

heh anyone remember that bit in Passion of the Christ where they credited JC with having invented the Chair ...feckin' hell -as if the it's a story that needed padding out :D
06/10/2004, 1:38 PM
ccfcman

Fancy that, I taught he invented wine!
06/10/2004, 2:05 PM
green goblin

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Originally Posted by ccfcman

Did JC ever exist outside of a book?

The two earliest non bliblical mentions of Christians are by the Roman historian Tacitus writing in AD64 (31 years after Jesus death) and the Jewish historian Josephus wrting at around AD 85 (52 years after Jesus death).
06/10/2004, 2:09 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by green goblin

Roscarbery's favourite son.

Ballinascarthy even.
The Fords originally came from the areas of Somerset-shire and Devonshire in England.

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