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He was last called up for the friendly against Uruguay in March last year. I think it's just a case of Trap not trusting him as a full-back whilst favouring other options in the centre, although I do recall talk of a disciplinary issue, but think that was mere media speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
In total agreement that pathetic and tenuous arguments have been dredged up to create a fantasy "let the credits roll" type of a rap sheet against Trap and his treatment of players.
In relation to recent debate about tactics and style of play, some of you know I've posted here for a good while and my views are honest, consistent and considered (most of the time!!).
I think there is merit in us debating our teams tactics and suggesting we can play more effectively. No more, no less.
he must have been caught playing his banjo after lights out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Shocking article. I don't think anyone can deny there have been some communication issues, some serious, some not so but this is barrel scraping stuff.
Collected comments from @emmetmalone on Twitter today
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Originally Posted by emmetmalone
interesting that he wrote a follow up piece after the online reaction to it.
This is true for some time but the question I have is why is it happening? Why are so many media outlets intent on pushing this as an issue with Trap. Are they just frustrated with the language barrier in press conferences and trying to deflect their venting as coming from the players, do they want to pursue the issue so that an English speaker is appointed with or instead of Tardelli next campaign? Or is it that our papers are becoming more anglocentric tabloid in their dealings and are looking for fault where there is none?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
It's just been looking a bit forced recently, particularly with regards Duff, Given and Gibson. Two of which there was no problem to begin with and the other being entirely in the wrong to the extent that actual players in the squad are condemning what he's done.
It's forced these past few days because the deadline for this theme is Friday, after the game the issue becomes dormant (hopefully).
Malone's justification for this type of article is baffling as he brought nothing to this well worn out Trap communication question, except some farcical innuendoes.
I think the issue will rumble on as long as Gibson isn't in the squad.
It shouldn't, there's not reason to think anything other that the problem is entirely with Gibson's attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Agreed, but there is going to be a sizable number of people who will blame Trap regardless and the media will always thrive on that kind of controversy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Why though? There's a sizable number of people who believe Gibson is a self-centered ass and symptomatic of the modern footballer with an attitude of entitlement and empathy towards the international game, why aren't they thriving on that? Why is it always the anti-Trap angle and never anti-player even when opinion is divided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It was pretty remarkable after the Euro's how little flak our players got for example. All the bile was at Trap's selection and his system which is a bit ridiculous when we had JOS/Dunne/Ward/Given/Whelan in particular all playing abysmally.
I'd imagine "Gibson is a self-centered ass" isn't going to sell many papers. I think there are journalists who have written just that, mind, but I think the 'outrage' element tend to dominate coverage, no matter what the issue. Just listen to Joe Duffy.
Said it the minute Brady left the threesome, that the communication issue was going to be huge, and so it proved. But in hindsight Trap was given an interpreter and she said what he told her to. Ultimately I believe his life values (and football values for that matter) are at odds with the modern day young footballer. Doesn't make Trap's values wrong, but at the same time he's not getting through to the players and the fans the way a manager should.
That's a fair point, and well made.
The media (led by Dunphy and INM) insinuated that it was lack of communication that led to Stephen Ireland not being called up, that Trap had to call him, go kiss his little toes. Andy Reid (then an overweight but reasonably decent mid-level footballer) acted the mick on an away trip and was banished, even as his form slipped and he was not a relevant inclusion in the squad, it was brought up. Next McCarthy (and getting him in an Irish shirt), McClean, Gibson. It will be endless as the meeja need this. Don't for one moment think that it's isolated. The journos covering football in Ireland have a single purpose, keep their jobs at all casts regardless of principle. They will out Joe Duffy each other with shock horror and nonsensical malice. I don't know if anyone else listened to Joe one day when someone had called in (it was a story in one of the papers) telling of their rescue of an unfortunate motorist who appeared to be drunk but was actually suffering from insulin shock. Within minutes the Liveline was filled with callers outdoing one another with tales of derring do and rescuing people who were suffering from some sort of ailment of a similar type. GAA writers write about what they know and understand, most of their football brethren are Football Manager experts and figure that getting Dundalk into the Europa League final outdoes Trap by heaps (I kept them in the Premier Division and was thrilled!).
Doyle insists everyone is fully behind Trap, which would seem to indicate the hoo-ha over alleged communication and man-management issues is a media concoction: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...nd-trapattoni/
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Kevin Doyle today tried to play down talk of unrest and insisted the whole Republic squad are behind Trapattoni, whose position would have been under intense pressure had Doyle and Robbie Keane not scored two late goals to snatch all three points last night in the former Soviet republic.
"Everyone is together," Doyle said. "Everyone respects the manager 100% and there is no other scenario.
"Honestly, it's the same as any squad I have been involved in with Ireland. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and feeling but as far as I can see everyone is right behind the manager and hopefully that win will ease the pressure on us."
so did Long: http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/my...e-3217547.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
and Andrews: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...on-206938.html
and Duff: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...f-3215588.html
and Noel Hunt tweeted that there's no problem between Stephen and Trapattoni: https://twitter.com/boyhunt/status/244128633059414016
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A lot of tweets to me about Stephen and Trapitoni honestly nothing happened there they still talk! Just wasn't named in the squad!???
16. James McClean
17. Stephen Kelly
Kelly dispute was manufactured by the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
No manager on the planet would not dispute with what McClean did, I thought Trap handled it very well.
He scraped the barrel a bit to make that magic number 15 but definitely I think Trap's communication with certain players is less than desirable. While I don't agree with massaging players' egos, some players need an arm around the shoulder and some need a bollicking. It's just decent man-management. And Trap seems to have taken the Mussolini approach. Which i just don't think works with modern young footballers as much as it did in the 80s or early 90s