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razor, maybe you'll have the decency to reply to what I said above:
Lets say you were half Scottish but Irish was still your first nationality. If you knew you hadn't a hope of getting a game for Ireland, would you not play for the Scots? Remember half his blood is Irish.
Personnaly i'd like to see us start with:
Given
Carr.....Cunningham.....O'Brien.....O'Shea
Miller.....Keane.....Holland.....Reid
Keane.....Duff
That is the team I would like to see Roos69 but I don't think it will happen. Here is the most likely starting XI
Given
Carr.....Cunningham.....O'Brien.....O'Shea
Holland.....Keane....Kilbane.....Reid
Duff....Keane
Not very attack orientated against a team like Cyrprus...and at home!
You'd wonder why McGeady, who offers something completely different (in an attacking sense) on the right wasn't called up from the U-21's for the Cyprus game, I reckon it'll be because whoever starts the Cyprus game will start the Swiss match, Kerr just wants a settled team. If it was a standalone game, as opposed to a double header, we easily could have gone 4-3-3 with:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
....................Given
Carr..Cunningham..O'Brien..Harte
.......McGeady..Keane..Duff
.......Morrison..Keane..Reid
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I thought by saying "If Irish is your first nationality then you should declare for Ireland" that this would answer it.
It makes no difference if its Scotland, England or the Faroe Islands
Playing just cause you'd get a game at International level is ridiculous.
It makes a mockery of our country that we allow these.
Oh yeah and the answer being "NO"
I can honestly tell you that if I was 50% Irish, 50% Scottish and I knew there were 10 players ahead of me and I hadn't a hope of playing for Ireland, I'd definitely want to represent my father's side of the family and play for Scotland. It certainly wouldn't make me a mercenary and just because you feel differently doesn't mean you can tag Macken a bloody mercenary.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
It makes a mockery of our country? The only people I ever hear comment on us having English born players are the English themselves (1% of the world's population). The other 99% of people couldn't care less otherwise you would have heard people comment on the amount of African born players in the French current and world cup winning team.
I think it is a little early to be calling McGeady up to the full squad in a qulifier. He looks good but he is definitely one for the future. Keane & Duff up front bothers me though. Unless we play a 4-4-1-1 I just can't see it working.
I just don't see what the hurry in introducing McGeady is. I'd like to see a full strength U21 side fulfill their promise and actually qualify for a U21 finals. I think this would be of great benefit for the senior side going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Obviously the senior squad comes first but it's not yet blatantly obvious that McGeady has a role to play in the senior side right now.
If we were to go 4-3-3 I'd prefer:
Miller or Holland - Keane - Kilbane
Reid - Robbie - Duffer
It's about the only way I could be happy with Duff playing further up the pitch.
Isn't this eaxctly what you proposed in your first post? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
More expected than proposed :) Really don't want to see Duff up front as he really isn't a striker.
National Identity is a very important thing and I wouldn't make a mockery of my Irishness by playing for Scotland. Of course it would make you a mercenary picking and choosing for the sake of an International cap and if you couldn't get a game for Scotland either why not keep trawling down through the family tree til you get a country you might get a game for.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I have no problem with the young fellas who really want to play for Ireland, who declare young, they could be born in Timbuktu for all i'd care.
The players I have issues with are these Johnny Come Latelys like Macken and Morrisson who declare cause its convenient and they think they'll get a game. Mercenary is about the only word for it.
I'm sure you'd feel differently if your father and half your family were Scottish because you would also be half Scottish. It might be hard for you to think of playing for another country because your (probably) 100% Irish but Macken is 50/50.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Well then I'm not quite sure you know the meaning of the word mercenary.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
He might be 50/50 now but he was 0/100 up until he realised he might get a game for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I think I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Play International football for whatever country = higher profile in the game = better club = more money
Its sad that it works that way but it does.
They are not with us for the pride of the shirt but when it boils down to it for financial gain.
razor, until you have proof that Macken is playing for us for financial gain I won't listen to that. BTW, The same goes for the 0/100 thing.
Who was it that said:
"being born in a stable, doesn't make you a horse"
or words to that effect.
Some King of England that was actually born in IrelandQuote:
Originally Posted by blobbyblob
Actually, I think it was the Duke of Wellington.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
the worst part is that Clint took AGES to decide if he wanted to play... "...should I really play :rolleyes: ??" And he's crap, but the fans give him loads of encourgement... Time to start scoring clint.
As for Macken... I wouldnt have called him up. I feel like a England B Team again. :eek:
Kerr said he won't call the 2G's up unless they are as good, if not better than what we've got already. Other than Keane can you name a better forward than Macken in the Ireland squad? Fair play to you if you feel we're the England B team but I won't be partying any less than usual when we win just because there's a few English born players in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
This is going completely off topic but there's a South African born athlete, Alistair Cragg, representing Ireland in the 5000m on Saturday. He's elibible because his great-granparents are Irish. Just goes to show. :)