Crime & Punishment Discussion

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Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton

You can't do this, in the great foot.ie tradition you have to carry on an arguement until it reaches at least thirty pages, throw in the occasional personal insult and go round in circles for at least half the pages. Lopez v Twlfth Apostle on the Croatian war crimes thread, the pro/ anti Celtic threads, anything our erstwhile village idiot Patrick J was involved in there are plenty of such fine examples. :)
BTW your right anyone who hurts a tame animal for enjoyment os a sick w*****r

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And we still managed to kiss and make up after TC questioning whether I'm a batter or a bowler. :D

CP is a dodgy subject. Personally I'm against it - because it's treating the symptoms rather than the causes (as seen in the US) and its tendency to kill innocent people. However, I knew this bloke once who was highly liberal, anti-CP because of the B6, G4, etc (before they were pardoned but when everyone knew they were innocent) who went to America and within six months was howling that this is the best solution after watching a re-offender go Rambo on a ferry circa 1986. If someone killed a member of my family or pinned my cat against my garage wall, I would happily pull the trigger. Society is there to take a more pragmatic and let's say civilised view and dispense proper justice. However murder and other vicious crimes such as rape should be punished by 'life' sentences. It is only the case in multiple murders of the Shipman, Suttcliffe, Nilsen type of cases or reoffenders on licence that this is currently done.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Folks, it is only a cat...

I hate cruelty to animals, but let's always keep a bit of perspective on things. We routinely abuse animals daily for our purposes (who asks the fish does it like dying at the end of a fishing hook being dragged out of its natural environment?). I'm not saying we should accept animal cruelty, but comparing killing a family member to pinning a cat against a wall is not valid...

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I ask questions about it, but then again I'm a raving lefty vegetarian type. ;)

Think one of the things about animal cruetly, apart from the fact that I just find it truely sick, is that especially amoungst the young it can show trends in the way people will act later in life. In other words if you find enjoyment in killing/harming one innocent thing then what will you develop like and how will this show up in your relationships with other living things inc. humans

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Can I ask you if you grew up around farmers? Farming is very often a cruel business, animals spend their life in captivity, rabbits and foxes get shot, puppies get drowned etc. etc. But I don't think there is a higher degree of violence in a rural area than, say, Fatima Mansions. farmers don't all become raging perverts. I know farmers may not do it purely for enjoyment, but I don't see them wrestling with their conscience either. It's life. Animals are not humans.

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I'm talking cruelty for fun here being the most worrying aspect not the business of farming, i.e. yer man in Belfast was doing something like this for kicks, I find that something that is very worrying. Would say that it is difficult to justify finding fun in any sort of cruelty or killing where it be animal or human.
Farm life? Only the obligetary plastics on tour, six weeks summer holiday in Fermanagh at the uncles. (For anyone lurking from followfollow, you will be please to know yes I did do tattie hoking :eek: :D)

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Originally Posted by Conor74

farmers don't all become raging perverts.

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Don't know, thats a debate I've had several times before :D

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Can I ask you if you grew up around farmers? Farming is very often a cruel business, animals spend their life in captivity, rabbits and foxes get shot, puppies get drowned etc. etc. But I don't think there is a higher degree of violence in a rural area than, say, Fatima Mansions. farmers don't all become raging perverts. I know farmers may not do it purely for enjoyment, but I don't see them wrestling with their conscience either. It's life. Animals are not humans.

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All the things mentioned above were not done purely for cruelty's sake...even the drowining of the puppies (and kittens).

My mother grew up on a small farm in Spain and no, she never wrestled with her consciousness over a story she tells us of a pig being slaughtered in front of her eyes with a knife through the heart, because every edible morsel of the animal was turned into some sort of food which even for farmers was in short supply. But on the other hand she's always hated bullfighting purely because of the unecessary cruelty. Perhaps only a vegan can hold his/her hands up and say they don't collaborate with some form of animal cruelty, and the rest of us are hypocrites. But I still would be as furious with cruelty to my cat as with say my kids, even if this sounds excessive - and rightly so - in the eyes of the state.

Since the last post three years ago, there were definitely some murders here that would fall into the capital punishment category in the USA, the SS case would be the obvious one followed by the RO'R murder.

[QUOTE=ballyhenryglens;154338]perpetrators of 'aggressive rape' [QUOTE]

As opposed to soft, cuddly rape?? :eek:

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Confine them to a cell with Noel King and Roddy Collins.

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I'd rather be Kenny in third series of Oz tbh :eek: :)

Torn between my love of rants and mass murders and my hatred of all things Glentoran on this one I'm afraid

ballyhenry glens

I agree with you but in order to get past the do -gooders as a compromise I have suggested sterilising them and preventing them breeding. This would eventually lead to low life scumbags dying out. :D

Either way this thread doesn't belong in this section.

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Originally Posted by ballyhenryglens

discuss!!

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The East Germans used to be pretty good at it.

Funniest Thread Ever!!!:D ...in whatever section.

Oh and this is just an observation (voice drops to whisper) ...has anyone else noticed there's a whole lot of French-Canadians on the board at the mo'?

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Best thread ever!

Holy cow, are you baileban in disguise? :p

Spookily enough, I was reading a list from wikipedia earlier today which made for some eye-opening viewing. If you're eating I wouldn't advise opening the link by the way. I think my favourite is the scaphism one, what would you pick especially for your 'first up against the wall'?! I very much approve of any bizarre punishments, I think we need to shake things up big time as incarceration doesn't seem to be a deterrent at all. Remember that judge a good few years who made some fella, John McClean-esque, walk down O'Connell Street draped with a placard proclaiming that he'd ****ed in public? (keep the alliterative p thoughts and you should guess the word!) More judges like him is what this world needs. :)

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Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

Remember that judge a good few years who made some fella, John McClean-esque, walk down O'Connell Street draped with a placard proclaiming that he'd ****ed in public? (keep the alliterative p thoughts and you should guess the word!)

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He proposed in public?

I say hang the Romantics - coming over here, taking our potential wives...

I always liked that Brazen Bull one myself. Especially the fact that turned the condemned's screams into bull noises for the laugh! :D

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Originally Posted by ballyhenryglens

let us all remember one thing--no matter propoganda the 'left wing' and anti-hanging lobby will tell us---statistics prove that 100% of hanged men--do not re-offend again!!!

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Whatever happened to ballyhenryglens? Did he post beyond 2004?

Maybe he's currently serving time somewhere for a murder he didn't commit.

Bad cases make bad law. Prison must be there to punish as reforming does not work for violent criminals.

I've pondered this from time to time and my belief is that murderers who are found guilty, 12 out of 12, and receive a life sentence should be executed. Don't waste prison space for them. This won't effect murder rates but it would probably empty up prisons (I know in England they're pretty full).

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Originally Posted by pete

Bad cases make bad law. Prison must be there to punish as reforming does not work for violent criminals.

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"If hospitals cure, then prisons must bring their pain"

A Manics lyric - possibly quoting "Crime and Punishment" ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by pete

Bad cases make bad law. Prison must be there to punish as reforming does not work for violent criminals.

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The world according to pete. I'd buy that book pete. As is the norm in this forum. Any stats to back it up?