It was which I think sends out the message of "Look lads tonight wasn't good enough and we're disappointed but we're totally behind you so give em hell on tuesday". Which is completely fine in my books.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
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It was which I think sends out the message of "Look lads tonight wasn't good enough and we're disappointed but we're totally behind you so give em hell on tuesday". Which is completely fine in my books.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Load of rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
If Dunne's header in injury time had gone in, the players would have been given a standing ovation at the final whistle. Last night we achieved two things. 6 clean sheets in a row, and taking advantage of the result in Slovakia, to give us the head-to-head record over them. Another clean sheet in Moscow, and they'll be flavour of the month again.
But never mind that, you continue to boo.
No chance, we know rubbish when we see it.
As should you being a Shams man.
;)
Whatever about possible shifts in perception of the vacillating mob, I don't think we can afford go into Moscow thinking that just a clean sheet will suffice, no matter how impressive such a result might be. We don't need impressive in Moscow now; we need miraculous. Unless we win, our fate is out of our own hands - settling for that surely isn't an option - whilst it would also open up the very real and heart-breaking possibility of us finishing third on the same number of overall points as Slovakia and Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Anything can happen in the last 3 games, apart from the Andorra wins. Last night's results weren't decisive, and next week's won't be either. the other two still have to play each other as well, they can't both win it, so a point for us in Moscow and a win in Andorra would re-jig the group again.
I think asking for a win in Moscow is too optimistic. Even the best sides struggle there, so a point will do me.
On the other hand, a team no better than us won there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Of course anything can happen but some things are more likely to happen than others. A point in Moscow allows for us to achieve a maximum of 21 points; at least that one thing would be certain. Realistically, that would allow us, at best and hoping other results went in our favour, a second place finish. We have to assume that we'll pick up 6 in our final two fixtures for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
There's a minuscule chance of winning the group with 21 points but I don't know if it's worth entertaining as it would involve one of or both Slovakia and Russia dropping points in their head-to-head game with any winner from that fixture dropping points in another game on top of that. If Russia and Slovakia draw that fixture, both will also have to drop further points if we're to be certain of finishing above third place. It's safe to assume that Russia will be beating Andorra. If Russia draw with us, lose to Slovakia and beat Andorra, they'll finish on 20. So the only realistic way we can finish above Russia if we draw in Moscow is by them losing to Slovakia. If Slovakia beat Russia but draw against either Armenia or Macedonia whilst winning whichever fixture between those two that they don't draw, they'll finish on 21 and we'd pip them to first position on head-to-head results. I'd rather not rely on those two dropping points though.
Edit: I think I've edited that about 5 times to get it all right, but my head still hurts when I read through it. How did it ever come to this?
So basically, it's still all ifs, buts, and maybes.
Last night's results have given the Russians a slight advantage, but they still have to face their main rivals before winning against Andorra. Slovakia have the hardest run-in of the three. I wouldn't want to have to go to Skopje needing a result. We did before, and failed. They only just managed to beat them at home ffs.
Moscow is, and always has been a fortress. I believe we've never got as much as a draw in Russia before, so I'll take a point, knowing that our rivals have the tougher last week to come. There's still plenty of points to be won and lost in the group.
Hmm . . .
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
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Mypost - we only scraped past Macedonia at home! Slovakia can at least say they've won away in Moscow. If they can grind out a win there then I'm sure their players will be confident of picking up 3 points in Skopje.
Everyone has only scraped past Macedonia. Slovakia's result in Moscow, puts our results against them in perspective. But it won't stop the hacks tearing into the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
This make it somewhat easier for you Danny?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
http://greenscene.me/2011/09/euro-20...-permutations/
Slovakia put 10 men behind the ball and outmuscled an awful Russian team. Home fans were leaving as early as the 75th minute - and were turned back by police!
Why did I know there would be a thread started about booing. I thought it would be by An Ceannaire though.
If the players swanned around for 90 minutes and put no effort in, I'd boo. But in all my years of following football, I've never seen that happen. As someone said to me before the game, there are two classes of people who go to a game, supporters and spectators. The latter are disappearing as is evident by the gaps in the ground and they get their kicks now watching it on TV and listening to the RTE panel (bites his lip). There are still some left though who go to a match wanting to be entertained. If they are not entertained, the players are booed. Being spectators they would like a spectacle. They want Ireland to win of course but if not entertained, they feel cheated. They therefore boo.
A supporter is of course someone who supports: a backer, a follower. Their primary purpose is to see their team winning. Entertainment is a bonus. They support the team. They do not boo the team (generally speaking - there are exceptions). The spectacle comes second to the result and even if the result is bad, the team is supported in the hope that the next result is better. Booing your team does not give it confidence.
I was in the West Lower. I didn't hear (sounding like Arsene Wenger) any booing around me but I heard some from the West Upper. It faded quickly. No big deal.
As I said before, the final game against Armenia will be a sell out if it's a crunch game although we can't hide that some of the Irish public has lost interest in the current team. Doesn't bother me. There were 14k at Jack C's first game against Wales I think. What's that quote "Build it and they will come".
A supporter
That's a low blow right there. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Would've had a more Daily Mail thread title if it'd been AC's work -as well as a summation of the "is it time to crack open our skulls and feast upon the goo inside?" variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I and many others round me booed.
Only at the end, as it was a deeply mediocre performance.
And we are all supporters!!
I thought the booing was disgraceful
Upper East and it was all around me. Disgusted.
Except in most cases, and especially Trap, it was fully deserved on this occasion.
So what if people do boo, not as if it's unique to just Irish fans...part of human nature.