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08/08/2011, 11:49 AM
co. down green

Quite funny on Facebook seeing current NI youth internationals 'liking' the fact that McClean has committed his international future to Ireland.
08/08/2011, 11:54 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

What difference would it have made if someone else got a couple of U-21 caps? You really think any potential replacement wouldn't find his way into the NI setup ultimately if good enough? If it's just about getting to play, McClean surely was honoured to play international football for NI. Just because his ultimate dream is to play for ROI, it hardly negates his feelings at the time of playing underage.

According to the BBC report he told Worthington of his intention three days after being called-up. More decisive than previous cases and surely closer to what NI fans would want in terms of clarity?

I want to see an end to players using the IFA as a stepping stone in their International careers. Players who are that way minded need to be weeded out.

McClean was put in a position whereby his bluff was called.

Credit to the lad for not messing about when the senior call up came - but, it's a pity he didn't show such decisiveness earlier in his career.

The sooner players like McClean have their bluff called, the better.
08/08/2011, 11:55 AM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by co. down green

Quite funny on Facebook seeing current NI youth internationals 'liking' the fact that McClean has committed his international future to Ireland.

Why don't these "youth internationals" do likewise?
08/08/2011, 12:07 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I want to see an end to players using the IFA as a stepping stone in their International careers. Players who are that way minded need to be weeded out.

McClean was put in a position whereby his bluff was called.

Credit to the lad for not messing about when the senior call up came - but, it's a pity he didn't show such decisiveness earlier in his career.

The sooner players like McClean have their bluff called, the better.

What do you suggest? McClean send an SOS carrier pigeon to FAI headquarters asking for underage rescue. McClean was happy to play underage international football for NI, and the IFA were happy to have him. Neither party are under any obligation to continue any arrangement.

Surely asking these players to desist might have more of a negative impact - while these guys may likely choose ROI if possible, there's a chance (particular with the IFA going proactive with Armstrong etc) these players might stay on in the future if given the time to decide. Ask them to choose first might make NI lose out even more.

Also at what age should they decide? 14, 15, 18? While frustrated NI fans have my sympathies, about a very I'm get very worried about the idea of prescribing to young guys when they have to make a very, very important and possibly difficult decision.

EDIT - This is veering back into eligibility, which I'd rather not do here. If you want to respond, best to do it on the eligibility thread perhaps. And if you don't want to, then that's up to you (this ground has been well covered, in fairness). I'm only posting this because, for me, McClean's acted more decisively than most. Surely signs these guys are more aware of the eligibility issues when being called up.
08/08/2011, 12:12 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by co. down green

Quite funny on Facebook seeing current NI youth internationals 'liking' the fact that McClean has committed his international future to Ireland.

Maybe, they don't like him :)
08/08/2011, 12:13 PM
Sullivinho

Paul Ferguson's indecision has seen the 'boastful turncoat' become Sunderland new boy overnight.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6179/btmcclean.png
08/08/2011, 12:18 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

What do you suggest?

I suggest that players who have "boyhood dreams" to play for the South, contact the FAI as a first port of call ie. before playing for Northern Ireland.

If it doesn't work out with the FAI, they can always contact the IFA and let them know they would consider a switch.
08/08/2011, 12:35 PM
The Fly

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I suggest that players who have "boyhood dreams" to play for the South, contact the FAI as a first port of call ie. before playing for Northern Ireland.

If it doesn't work out with the FAI, they can always contact the IFA and let them know they would consider a switch.

Seconded.
08/08/2011, 12:44 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I suggest that players who have "boyhood dreams" to play for the South, contact the FAI as a first port of call ie. before playing for Northern Ireland.

If it doesn't work out with the FAI, they can always contact the IFA and let them know they would consider a switch.

Would NI fans realistically accept a player who'd already pre-empted any possible career with them? Not sure I see it myself.
08/08/2011, 1:32 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Would NI fans realistically accept a player who'd already pre-empted any possible career with them? Not sure I see it myself.

That depends on circumstances.

The broad point is that those players who harbour childhood dreams of playing for the South should make the FAI their first port of call.
08/08/2011, 3:31 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Would NI fans realistically accept a player who'd already pre-empted any possible career with them? Not sure I see it myself.

Tony Kane and Michael O'Connor appear to have been broadly welcomed back after having initially switched from the IFA. I'm not really sure why they're treated any differently to Alex Bruce, for example. Possibly, they just weren't high-profile enough to provoke a storm.
08/08/2011, 3:44 PM
DannyInvincible

David Healy was on Sky Sports News a few minutes ago giving his views on the James McClean situation. Anyone catch what he said?
08/08/2011, 3:49 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

David Healy was on Sky Sports News a few minutes ago giving his views on the James McClean situation. Anyone catch what he said?

"It's a pity James didn't hook up with the Northern Ireland squad - I could have taught him a lot about being a benchwarmer at Sunderland"
08/08/2011, 3:50 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Tony Kane and Michael O'Connor appear to have been broadly welcomed back after having initially switched from the IFA. I'm not really sure why they're treated any differently to Alex Bruce, for example. Possibly, they just weren't high-profile enough to provoke a storm.

Kane got a song dedicated to him.

Bruce is a c**t.
08/08/2011, 4:24 PM
ArdeeBhoy

A bit harsh.
His old man is mind.
08/08/2011, 4:31 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

A bit harsh.

You're right AB.

It is a bit harsh - on c**ts.
08/08/2011, 4:46 PM
IsMiseSean

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

David Healy was on Sky Sports News a few minutes ago giving his views on the James McClean situation. Anyone catch what he said?

The usual...
Don't disrespect the jersey, manager & fans
Playing for NI is about pride and passion
Ulster says no, blah blah blah....
08/08/2011, 4:55 PM
Sullivinho

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

David Healy was on Sky Sports News a few minutes ago giving his views on the James McClean situation. Anyone catch what he said?

"It's always disappointing to hear. I don't know the lad but he must be doing well for Derry, I think he's signing for Sunderland so he's obviously got something about him. But I've said before if you don't want to come and play for Northern Ireland, don't abuse the shirt, don't abuse the nation, don't insult the manager and the IFA by claiming you want to come and play in a friendly. Players have done that in previous years where they feel we're not sure, we haven't decided where we want to play, can we come and play in a meaningless friendly where it doesn't mean much, mixing amongst the lads for three or four days and then disappear off the face of the earth where we don't see them again. Don't abuse it, don't abuse the shirt. Northern Ireland's always been a place where we've prided ourselves on great pride and passion so don't come in and abuse our wee country."
08/08/2011, 5:40 PM
dantheman

On the OWC forum, apparently he is a Provo *****. Some are calling for Catholics to be excluded from future youth squads!
08/08/2011, 6:26 PM
BonnieShels

The poor wee country.

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