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I blame the clubs.
If I was running TV3, I'd be very reluctant to tell an employee to carry a heavy camera up a ladder. It's a safety hazard. Any decent company doesn't allow employees to do stuff like that. I certainly wouldn't be asked to do it in my workplace.
The clubs involved need to sort the problem right now. Even if TV3 are looking for a way to pull the plug, we shouldn't just sit down and let them off easily.
i dunno wots goin on but in fairness to richmond park tv3 said they wouldnt go up a ladder not fixed to the ground - pats installed one that is bolted to the ground now and they still refuse to use it
as for the point re heavy equipment up a five foot ladder well rte managed to get Dolan up there for the cup semi replay v bohs so i doubt its a health and safety issue!
Not even if you were a cameraman? Imagine that - a camera man having to carry a camera.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamon
It's a TV3 cop out, how are things different to last season? And why can't you apologists not see it as such?
macy things are differnet because assurances by clubs that facilities would be inproved have not been done...
health and safety is an important part of any ground and if its not up to standard why should some one risk expensive equipment and possible personal injury to cover a game, the clubs telling them to fcuk off and get their own ladder ain't on either...
FFS, if the ladder was that much a health and safety issue they wouldn't have gone up it last year (or the many years previously). Camera blokes and birds have no problem running around "riots" with better quality camera's than the shíte they use to cover the league.
A five foot ladder - you could pass the stuff up - you wouldn't even need to carry them up the ladder.
It's a cop out, nothing more nothing less.
macy for once i can honesty say you are wrong, there is an onis on the club to have facilities up to scratch, they were asked to up grade last year and they said they would, but they did nothing and still refuse to do it....
the camera used to film el weekly is not sh1te as you put it....if you know anthing about broadcast equipment you would know that......
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Originally Posted by max power
Now we see what is going on !!!!!!!!
This is a whole different kettle of fish ...... a club told them where to go. Now who here can even try to argue with that. And if you do, that is the attitude that has us in this situation.
Can i ask, is this the typical kind of stuff that happens everytime the eL tries to get off its knees. It the actual problem with the league, the people who are in it.
TV3 ask for a bog standard requirement ... they have to draw the line somewhere. A half ársed, del boy knackers yard, ladder nailed to the floor type solution .... TV3 should have told Pats where to go instead me thinks.
And the home made footage by Shels or any oother club is not good enough lads, it doesnt cut it. TV3 have t owork with the wrong format footage, inferior quality, dodgy camera work, rocking from side to side, head in the way etc. .... and then they have to sign their name to it and show it to the nation on Monday night. Come off the stage before someone sees ya, for gods sake.
Pineapple Stu .... the only coverage of note on telly all week and you dont watch it, man .... what are you like.
Someone said the FAI should demand better coverage ..... they dont know what the fans want, the fans aren't united and aren't in a position to say anything. FAI cant respond to random rants on MBs. If people actually cared there would be a supporters trust or something set up and fans would put something together and get something done. Until then i dont think fans really have/should have much of a say .... when is the last time a supporters club approached the FAI and told them what they actually want.
The gantries ..... Just sort it out and we wouldn't have this problem.
They've used it before, why is it suddenly not good enough now?Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
i know at least two people with broadcast quality cameras ( i am one ) that can cover games and the format is perfect for tv 3, ( dv) but the clubs have no wishes to promote this....
as was said on newstalk, the league shoot themselves in the foot every season, not working together to promote and get better but only our for their own devices, if they all worked together t might be a differnet league with higher standards...
a face, goog to see a fan actually seeing the truth for what it is, tv 3 are a national broadcaster willing to show football ( although limited amount) on a weekly basis and all certain clubs do is hinder them..
well done el clubs :mad:
i feel its time to push the internet idea forward
It's nothing to do with them being willing, they were forced into it as part of the deal to show Irish matches, weren't they? I could be wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by max power
it is good enough and up to standard but for big derbies they need their own cameras and staff to put a good package together, like the rovers cork game which was a great overall package, not just highlights, that is what they were aiming for each week, but without BASIC facilities it just can't be doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Here here. Excellent post, have to say I agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
The onus is on the clubs FULL STOP. Like I said in an earlier post, TV3 have done a great job on little money. Now when they make a REASONABLE request to ensure the safety of their employees they are told to Eff Off.
Nice.
Fair enough ... to get off the ground but things have to improve. You need to have broadcast quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Slash/ED ... man we should be aimming to be better than their own quality no barely scraping by. It is our league .... we need to show it in its best light. This is where clubs can make a difference.
It is OK using the footage to bridge the gap, but not all the time. Even use both if there is a dodgy peno or something and another angle is needed, that is when it is good but no all the time.
So isntead of providing highlights using ready made footage, they'll pull the plug on the coverage entirely because they can't get some fancy gimmicks on aswell? I'll admit the Cork Rovers footage was well put together, but I could live without that kind of thing if it meant I was able to get any highlights at all to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by max power
one point i forgot to make is that a number of the camera men used by tv 3 are from small production companies on contract using their own gear so they defo won't climb anything that will damage theie personal equipment...
Yeah but surley if TV3 had any commitment to showing highlights at all and weren't just looking for a way out, like I suspect they are, they'd use the coverage given to them for the time being, it's better than nothing? Than, it's upto the clubs to sort it out, the onus is definitely on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Anyway, I still can't see how this has suddenly become a safety issue when it never was before.
but have this row once and its done, highlight the lack of co operation that el clubs give outside parties.....
i'd rather have 2 decent packages that 3 average ones, if those packages become a standard feature more people will watch becuase of the decent quality and might even go to the games......
improvment not going backwards is what i think...
And in fairness, some coverage looks great. Dalymount for example always looks the part while others do not and Tolka is one of them unfortunately.
please read what i have posted above, gurantee's given by certain clubs to tv 3 that the gantrees would be improved were not done....even at the start of this season they gave them a chance to get it done, it wasn't and they were told to fcuk off and get their own stuff........Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
once again that is not gossip, but fact from tv 3 staff, also the indo ran the same story last week......
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Originally Posted by fbtn
the position of the gantree has a lot to do with that, tolka is very high and makes some angles hard to get, daleymount is just about right....ours is ok but needs a roof and a decent ladder as well.....