Squad announced for friendlies

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

yeah, a reserve coventry mid fielder with about four senior goals in his entire career is quite clearly a far better option up front than him :rolleyes:

it's a non sense seing wasters like Maybury, Kinsella, Barrett, McPhail, Kennedy and Quinn (Just released by a mid table second division club, clearly international class than :rolleyes:). If Kerr thinks they have an international future than I'm very, very, very worried.

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Quite. The selection of this squad is obviously a calculated insult to the eL. There is no other explanation for the calling-up of Rowlands, Maybury, Kennedy, McGeady and Barrett. I hope any eL players who are invited to join the squad when the inevitable withdrawals occur will have the sense to tell Kerr to stick his call-up up his a*se. What is he playing at?

That's pretty much that, as far as I'm concerned. I'm no longer going to take any significant interest in the national team. In fact, it's probably best if we start doing badly enough to force the FAI to take a long-term view and actually promote the development of Irish players.

how do you know he is not injured or that he is out as mc carthy left him out, i think people should hold their horses and wait for the facts to develop but too often people just like to mouth off about who should and should not be in the squad. Its a squad of 31 for a country of 4 million. Of course there are going to be people there that are not up to it at the highest level but at the end of the day are starting 11 and probably 4 or 5 others are all Premiership and some champions league class and that is not bad for a small country. Kerr cannot create players out of no where.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

how do you know he is not injured or that he is out as mc carthy left him out, i think people should hold their horses and wait for the facts to develop but too often people just like to mouth off about who should and should not be in the squad. Its a squad of 31 for a country of 4 million. Of course there are going to be people there that are not up to it at the highest level but at the end of the day are starting 11 and probably 4 or 5 others are all Premiership and some champions league class and that is not bad for a small country. Kerr cannot create players out of no where.

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It's not a selection of four million people. Alot of our team weren't born in Ireland, we've access to many many times 4 million people eligeble to play for us, so that argument is just wrong.

The fact is, there are better players out there he's just not picked them, god knows why.

And Sheridan, spot on. I Said on a Shels messageboard that now if Byrne gets a call up after injuries he should tell Kerr to **** off. Kerr obviously thinks he's given the EL it's five minutes for the year, that's all of us appeased, now it's back to picking second division reserves.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Quite. The selection of this squad is obviously a calculated insult to the eL. There is no other explanation for the calling-up of Rowlands, Maybury, Kennedy, McGeady and Barrett. I hope any eL players who are invited to join the squad when the inevitable withdrawals occur will have the sense to tell Kerr to stick his call-up up his a*se. What is he playing at?

That's pretty much that, as far as I'm concerned. I'm no longer going to take any significant interest in the national team. In fact, it's probably best if we start doing badly enough to force the FAI to take a long-term view and actually promote the development of Irish players.

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Kerr said he was reluctant to select home based players as the season here was just gaining momentum.

"I don't want to take eircom League players away from their clubs for a long period of time if they're not going to be involved in every game. Unless there's a realistic chance of them playing I wont do it. This is the best squad for the time."

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Quite. The selection of this squad is obviously a calculated insult to the eL.

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No, you're not paranoid. They really are out to get you. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

I hope any eL players who are invited to join the squad when the inevitable withdrawals occur will have the sense to tell Kerr to stick his call-up up his a*se.

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As if. Would you?

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

That's pretty much that, as far as I'm concerned. I'm no longer going to take any significant interest in the national team.

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Your call. I'd wait around and judge Kerr on his results first. I don't agree with several of his selections, but I don't think I'd ever take it quite as far as you suggest. Toys out of pram, anyone?

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Kerr said he was reluctant to select home based players as the season here was just gaining momentum.

"I don't want to take eircom League players away from their clubs for a long period of time if they're not going to be involved in every game. Unless there's a realistic chance of them playing I wont do it. This is the best squad for the time."

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That would explain it. I must say that I was surprised not to see at least one eL player - Byrne, probably - make the 31.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Kerr said he was reluctant to select home based players as the season here was just gaining momentum.

"I don't want to take eircom League players away from their clubs for a long period of time if they're not going to be involved in every game. Unless there's a realistic chance of them playing I wont do it. This is the best squad for the time."

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That's a cop out. You ask Byrne where he's rather be playing, Tolka or Lansedowne and the answer wouldn't be Tolka, and we'd all understand that. The club wouldn't mind loseing a player for a few weeks if it meant he could do something he's probably dreamed about since he was growing up.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Quite. The selection of this squad is obviously a calculated insult to the eL. There is no other explanation for the calling-up of Rowlands, Maybury, Kennedy, McGeady and Barrett. I hope any eL players who are invited to join the squad when the inevitable withdrawals occur will have the sense to tell Kerr to stick his call-up up his a*se. What is he playing at?

That's pretty much that, as far as I'm concerned. I'm no longer going to take any significant interest in the national team. In fact, it's probably best if we start doing badly enough to force the FAI to take a long-term view and actually promote the development of Irish players.

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That's a bit of an over-reaction. It's hardly a calculated insult. If any EL player gets called in after withdrawals they should consider themselve proud to be representing their country.
Your choice if you don't want to follow the national team. You probably won't even read this message as you'll have left the board if you no longer care. As for hoping Ireland loose, that's not even worth a response it's so pathetic.

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Originally Posted by finlma

That's a bit of an over-reaction. It's hardly a calculated insult. If any EL player gets called in after withdrawals they should consider themselve proud to be representing their country.

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Yeah, I'm sure he'll be so proud that he's playing second fiddle to a Coventry City reserve mid fielder who's got about four senior goals in his entire career.

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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

As if. Would you?

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If someone humiliated me like this, you flipping bet I would.

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Your call. I'd wait around and judge Kerr on his results first. I don't agree with several of his selections, but I don't think I'd ever take it quite as far as you suggest. Toys out of pram, anyone?

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Screw his results. It took Irish football ten years to recover from the "success" of the Charlton years. It's about time we started thinking about creating a sustainable future for Irish football, instead of this short-term balls of being happy to get (or nearly get) to a European Championships or World Cup.

Instead, we get the likes of McGeady. Maybe he will turn out to be a great footballer, who knows? If that happens, I'm sure we'll all be very proud. Look, footballing fraternity, we can get other small, struggling nations to produce our players, snatch them when they reach adulthood and achieve passable results! What a great footballing nation we are!

I've seen that future. I've lived in that future. And it's balls.

the point is the standard in the league of ireland is about 2nd division or low down 1st division standard. kerr knows this as much as anybody he manged in it for a good number of years. He also does nogt want to take players away from their squads if the season is up and going. The job of the Irish football manager is to pick the best players available to him at the time. Kerr knows more about football then anyone on this board and it his is view and you have to respect it. If all the league of ireland players were all so good they woudl not be playing in the league of ireland as they would be off earnign higher wages were ever they could get it. thats the way of the world, its called looking after your family. If we only picked players based in Ireland we woudl never get anywhere and we would get beaten consistantly by most international teams.

Neil, for once I pretty much agree with your entire post (not all of it, mind. ;) ) Good stuff. :)

Sheridan, on a specific point McGeady opted for Ireland. He's a product of the diaspora. He wasn't "nicked" by anyone.

Don't blame Brian Kerr for the structural failings of the game in Ireland. The fact that the infrastructure - financial, coaching, physical - hasn't been developed is not down to him; it's a matter for the FAI and for the clubs. Like Charlton before him, Kerr's job is to pick the best players available to him. Irrespective of the youth system that produces them.

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what u mean for once ya git, well thanks anwyay

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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

Sheridan, on a specific point McGeady opted for Ireland. He's a product of the diaspora. He wasn't "nicked" by anyone.

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Oh, for goodness' sake, don't get me into this, please. He's a product of the Scottish footballing system, END OF. That's where he was educated, that's where he learned his football, that's who should reap the rewards.

And yes, Kerr's remit does extend to putting right the structural failings of Irish football. He's made that claim himself on innumerable occasions. It's about time he started doing something about it.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

the point is the standard in the league of ireland is about 2nd division or low down 1st division standard. kerr knows this as much as anybody he manged in it for a good number of years. He also does nogt want to take players away from their squads if the season is up and going. The job of the Irish football manager is to pick the best players available to him at the time. Kerr knows more about football then anyone on this board and it his is view and you have to respect it. If all the league of ireland players were all so good they woudl not be playing in the league of ireland as they would be off earnign higher wages were ever they could get it. thats the way of the world, its called looking after your family. If we only picked players based in Ireland we woudl never get anywhere and we would get beaten consistantly by most international teams.

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If Graham Barrett was so good he'd have more than 4 senior goals in his entire career and coudl get a game for ****ing Coventry. Your wages argument is b*ll*cks, if rumours are to be believed certain LOI players earn the guts of two grand a week, which is near enough the wage limit at Sheffield United, as an example, as far as I know.

In fact he's picking second division players. No, in fact, he's picked a player days ago deemend not good enough to even warrent giving a contract extension to by a mid table second division club. Also he's picking a Coventry reserve, and yet he ignores Byrne. Byrne has twice as many goals in his 10 matches this season than Barretts managed in his entire career. In a league, you yourself have admitted, isn't too far from the one he's playing in.

How is it that i the U21s, O'Flynn, an Eircom League player, can completley and totally outshine Barrett, yet when it comes to the senior team, Barrett gets in and and the top scorer in O'Flynns league is ingore. It's a joke.

Kerr has given the EL it's token gesture, now it's back to picking no hopers from England soley because they play in England. To even claim Barrett is as good, let alone better than, Byrne is a joke.

so are you saying that we shoudl only pick players that come through or system and stay and play in the league of ireland. So whatr you are saying is that if a players is really good and he is at bohemians and all of a sudden man utd offer him lots of money to play he shoudl either say no i want to stay here and barely look after my family or fact the fact i cant play for my country again. We live in a Europe where workers can move anywhere they want and work in any European country. YOu cannot punish people cause either they were not brought up in the footballing system here or they have chosen to look after their family and move abroad to play football.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Oh, for goodness' sake, don't get me into this, please. He's a product of the Scottish footballing system, END OF. That's where he was educated, that's where he learned his football, that's who should reap the rewards.

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You're on very dangerous ground with this statement. By your reasoning - if I may call it that - the likes of Kevin Kilbane, Steve Finnan, Andy O'Brien etc. should be playing their football for England. N'est ce pas? Er, no. I think you, I and all hereabouts know the answer to that.

Your club - well, it's former incarnation, anyroad - was superbly successful at producing youth players only to see them hoovered up by the English system. It's the senior clubs in Ireland as well as the FAI who should be looking to themselves as to why they couldn't provide the coaching or financial returns to keep them in the domestic game. The results are there for all to see now. As you yourself intimate.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Kerr has given the EL it's token gesture, now it's back to picking no hopers from England soley because they play in England.

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It's hard not to see it that way, it must be said. This would have been an ideal time to give Byrne and O'Flynn a run-out. Kerr has done himself no PR favours, that's for sure.

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[QUOTE=Slash/ED]. Your wages argument is b*ll*cks, if rumours are to be believed certain LOI players earn the guts of two grand a week, which is near enough the wage limit at Sheffield United, as an example, as far as I know.QUOTE]

so my argument is bollock on the back of certain rumours and a wage limit that you say is as far I know. I think you are lacking facts in that statement. You cannot call my argument ******** and then back yours up with conjecture. I have never said that barrett was better, all i said was trust Kerr on this one, Obviously there has been agreement with LOI squads not to take players for this friendlies as it is in the middle of teh season. As far as i can see you are arguing about little poings when it appears there is whole bigger agenda going on which is only to pick players that play in LOI or ones that have come through our footballing system and you are bias in favour of ones that play in LOI

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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

You're on very dangerous ground.

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Only if one happens to be a fan of unsophisticated 19th century politics.

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By your reasoning - if I may call it that - the likes of Kevin Kilbane, Steve Finnan, Andy O'Brien etc. should be playing their football for England. N'est ce pas? Er, no. I think you, I and all hereabouts know the answer to that.

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I know your answer. You evidently don't know mine, or you wouldn't presume to be so erroneously peremptory.

An Iranian journalist once asked me, upon seeing the Irish squad for the 2002 WC play-off, if Ireland had no league of its own. His tone of genuine bewilderment has stayed with me ever since. The scales fell from my eyes. I hope that someday, you will find yourself similarly enlightened.

how many french players play in the french league, most of their squad is playing abroad too. Its a fact of life and they have a country of 60 million. We are a nation of 4 million where the 3rd sport in the country is football. We also live beside a country that has 56 million and teh 1st sport is football and has huge money behind it as a result. This is then broadcast around the world. Due to this the clubs there can offer huge wages to players . So if you are a gifted player here you are going to be snapped up by an english club who will offer you the chance of a better lifestyle and a window of opportunity to further your careers. Most players go for it as they like the rest of humanity want to look after themselves and their familes. As a result the quality does not stay in the LOI as much as it should and due to this and other reasons the fans do not go to games in Ireland. Another reason is there is too many LOI clubs in Dublin for a city of 1 and half million it has about 7 or 8 clubs nearby. Another thing is that a lot people in ireland are not used to going to football matches as they were not taken by their dads etc, and they associate football with watching it on the TV. When they get older they watch football on the TV and go to Gaa in person but never think to go to a LOI game. As a result the LOI clubs cannot afford to keep the players and lots try their luck abroad. Why shoudl any of these players be punished for doing what anyone else would do in the cicumstances.