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Oh, I wasn't saying he's stupid for highlighting it, just that it's not all that meaningful.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
edit: I probably shouldn't contradict myself, but the move back to Lansdowne from Croke Park will naturally reduce turnover by a few million while the actual profit from ticket sales will increase. So turnover is slightly deceptive in this instance, but Delaney has still presided over a period of expansion.
Anyone know what Browne earns at IRFU?
Delaney earns more then the CEO of the GAA and IRFU combined. Both organisations that are ran better then the FAI imo.
What is the increase in revenue that he should be rewarded for? Over the last few years we have matches in Croker and huge TV money from the France and Italy games.
The idea that the bottom line doesn't matter for the FAI is nonsense in that they can't continually operate at a loss.
Can they push out the "it is FAI policy not to discuss the salary of any staff" line at the AGM? I'm sure Delaney already has a few mongrels ready to shout anyone who asks the questions
Assuming that figure is accurate, it's obscene, disgusting and every synonym thereof. I imagined he was on a nice earner but that's atrocious.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
some seriously deluded people on this site!!!!!!!!!! Delaney has done feck all for Irish footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Irish football /= FAI
The board is concerned about revenue and Delaney's stewardship has seen revenue go up considerably. Ultimately he's responsible for performance on the pitch too but his actual day-to-day role is to schmooze and get people to give him money and he appears to be quite the reptile in that regard. If seeing the financial picture makes me deluded then I guess you can call me David Icke.
If he was responsible for the the performances on the pitch, he should have been sacked after the Stan debacle. He is certainly lucky that Denis O'Brien came to the rescue and offered to pay the lions share of Traps wages. But for him to be paid more than the Taoiseach is grossly wrong. A wage of €200,000 would be a fair figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yes. Not cheap for most people but the head of the football operations in a forward country is going to be making more than 200K.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
NOW with that said, if I were told the people in charge of Germany, France, Spain and Holland made less, then I would apologize and think 400 was too much.
One might argue that the Taoiseach's salary alone is grossly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
I think it is the case though that the heads of the football associations in these countries are on a lesser wage. That's the point people have been trying to make and the reason for the distaste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Ah come on, Delaney might be a bit of a chancer but to say he's worse than the Taoiseach is just downright insulting. His wages are obviously obscene compared to the average worker but the corporate world operates on a completely different level. And if Delaney's wheeling and dealing does help bring in an extra million to the FAI's kitty, is it not worth shelling out the extra 200k? Not saying he's directly responsible but it's always the top guy who gets the rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Remind me how the Aviva platinum tickets are selling again? Or the big debt he has run up for the FAI to finance the stadium? Or asking/ordering junior clubs to buy these inflated tickets thereby putting the clubs in debt? etc etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Please remind us of these turnover figures you keep going on about - what are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
From 2000 to 2008 the country was going through a boom and the place was awash with money. Every sport increased turnover - Not necessarily anything to do with Delaney.
also he is not running a private enterprise. The key question is what people in a similar role get paid. For example the CEO of the GAA, the IRFU or how about the CEO's of the Welsh and Scottish football associations - countries of a similar size to Ireland.
really? the rugby has witnessed playing numbers plumet and the club game is on its knees. dont be fooled by the relative success of the national team and the provinces. the success of a sporting organisation should be largely based on whats going on at grass roots level.Quote:
Originally Posted by kennedmc
you cant have it both ways. when things go wrong its delaneys fault but he cant be credited when things go well either? interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by kennedmc
btw, when did wales or scotland last qualify for a championsip finals or win a major underage tournament?
The club game has struggled to find its place in a situation where provinces now take precedent. While playing numbers have suffered and the IRFU are working hard to ensure it can be of a sufficient standard to help develop players for the provinces etc.
The IRFU had to do that or else the club game in Ireland would have ended up in a situation like the Airiticity league now and Irish rugby would be in the sh!t....As you point out there is less leisure players in clubs (but not in schools!) but that can be reversed.
a successful nation team is incredibly important for the success of sporting organisation that competes at an international level
I read the 2009 Irish Sports Council review and it said that rugby participation had risen slightly versus a small decline in football & other sports (recession induced) - not surprising given the Grand Slam halo effect I guess.
Everyone knows the Vantage thing was a fiasco - they got way too greedy trying to sell something that was already madly overpriced. Again, I'm not saying everything he's done is amazing or even good - just that he has presided over a period of growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Turnover of 50 million yoyos: http://www.independent.ie/national-n...i-2288909.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by kennedmc
Of course the increase isn't solely due to him, but he's been the top guy for the most rapid period of expansion and he is naturally going to get the financial rewards.
Who says the heads of the Welsh and Scottish FAs are worth their wages? The IRFU is a perfect example, though - whatever they pay their chief, it's probably not enough.Quote:
also he is not running a private enterprise. The key question is what people in a similar role get paid. For example the CEO of the GAA, the IRFU or how about the CEO's of the Welsh and Scottish football associations - countries of a similar size to Ireland.
ok. accepted. was referring really to the decline over the last ten years or so. for example, one senior club I am aware of used to have 11 senior teams but now only has 4. i would suggest that football numbers possibly dont include those playing astro which is currently killing the junior football game hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I don't think Cowen's pay is a fair benchmark. For a start being CEO of the whole country is probably grossly underpaid, but also it opens up enough opportunities to be made for life afterwards in most cases. Not sure about Cowen mind you!#
I'm relatively neutral on this. I think 4 years ago I'd have been calling for his head but from what I can tell from here the FAI is doing very well on many subjective counts and it effing pees me off listening to my rugby mates over here comparing apples to oranges vis a vis the IRFU club & national teams' relative success. The IRFU doesn't have a scenario where the world's biggest league is 150 miles away and salaries are like those of Hollywood film stars. I doubt BO'D would be at Leinster if he could earn 10 times as much playing in UK or France. It's not a dig at rugby but people have to see the reality.
Personally I believe that grass roots football is being looked after by the FAI, hosting the UEFA Cup Final in 2011 was very much down to Delaney's personal lobbying skills and the FAI's commitment to grass roots football - not to mention learning from the "Celtic bid" fiasco. The FAI has successfully teamed up with local authorities up & down the country and has had many totally unheralded successes. I'm sure there are a whole host of reasons to take a dig but I'm of the opinion that the FAI is generally doing more good than harm and is operating against a much stronger headwind than the GAA or IRFU.
By all accounts another great success of football in Ireland is the volunteering culture it encourages, a valuable "soft" asset in society.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
As far as I know (not much!) astro is included in the overall participation numbers. A recent article in an obscure part of the Irish Times (health & education supplement?) highlighted Sporting Fingal and the local county council's recognition that football was the biggest participation sport which surprised me as I thought north Co. Dublin was hardcore GAA.
I'm doing a management post grad degree and am thinking of case studying local authority involvement in SRFC and SF -if anyone has any useful info or perspectives I'm all ears!
I understand that the FAI has come under criticism for inconsistent application of the club licensing rules, but Jesus, at least they have some rules - unlike over here where arguably the world's greatest football club is being tarted about like a child prostitute to a bunch of perverts to Syrian* or Chinese businessmen about whom nobody knows anything. Fiasco.
*Are UK companies in normal businesses even allowed to trade with Syria?