NI fans proposals for All-Ireland team

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20/04/2004, 6:30 PM
ElSieteSecretos

I agree totally with 4tothefloor!!!!!!!
20/04/2004, 8:51 PM
sylvo

Come on fella's, ould army groupie on ourweemind's is having a wind up with his post, chill. :cool:
20/04/2004, 8:59 PM
brendy_�ire

Don't like the idea of getting rid of the tricolour or Amhr�n na bhFiann, but otherwise it's a decent idea.

Won't ever happen though. The IFA would never agree and there's too many bigots following the 6 county team.
20/04/2004, 9:58 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Have you been to a Northern Ireland match at WP recently. I find it amazing the number of people who constantly complain about "sectarian" NI supporters but haven't even been to an NI game recently...I'll also be the first to admit that 10+ years ago WP did have its sectarian elements. But the IFA have come along way since then, in particular our Community Relations Office, and going to watch NI is now more like a carnival atmosphere.

Neil Lennon getting booed at an international was not 10 years ago.

As I said, I was at WP last year to see NI against probably the most Catholic country in the world (thanks to Torquemada and co). I found nothing that day that offended me: No surrender by a few eejits during the Brenda; the odd 1690 scarf; but nothing that truly offended me. In fact, I saw one of the best supports for an international side in ages.

Few people here will have been to WP outside a Republic game. And that's when the sectarianism is at it's most ferocious, so people have only yours, mine and perhaps a few others here like Gary Spain's, word that things are improving, or are sufficiently better than when the Republic is in town.

The argument about an all-Ireland team is really pie in the sky, but it's always good for a discussion. However, the FAI can just about organise a p*ss up in a bar and a bunk up in a brothel, but fairly little else. And if our northern contributors are to be believed, it's the IFA's limit as well. Even in an all-Ireland state there is no guarantee that the Northern Ireland team will be dissolved if, as would be most likely, the North would be given huge autonomy. What IMO is the only thing that will change the scenario is the creation of a UK team. And for that, the FAI do not need anyone's permission to pick Northern Irish players - all those born there eligible for Irish citizenship - because none of them will make it into the UK team. And of course, like Brenda's gongs, the invitation can always be declined.

As for an all-Ireland competition: Now there's something more realistic to aim for.
20/04/2004, 10:02 PM
Footie_Fan

It would be of no benefit to Irish football team to unite with the North. All that would be created would be hassle. Give up our flag, anthem etc... no way! What would be the benefit?
21/04/2004, 8:49 AM
ElSieteSecretos

One good idea (as someone said on another boards) is maybe, to have an all irelands league, instead of 2. So we can have 1 full time professional preimer division.

This would help Bohs(and the like etc) to get into europe
21/04/2004, 9:21 AM
Paddy Ramone

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Originally Posted by ElSieteSecretos

One good idea (as someone said on another boards) is maybe, to have an all irelands league, instead of 2. So we can have 1 full time professional preimer division.

This would help Bohs(and the like etc) to get into europe

That's much realistic and more likely to get Northern support. Read a four four two article where the supporters of clubs such as Linfield and Glentoran were in favour of it. Only problem would be security but it would be excellent for Irish football.
21/04/2004, 9:37 AM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone

That's much realistic and more likely to get Northern support. Read a four four two article where the supporters of clubs such as Linfield and Glentoran were in favour of it. Only problem would be security but it would be excellent for Irish football.

Well what I've been reading and hearing the EL isn't all supporter fraternity. The Hoops v Bohs game on Friday proved that. Leaving besided El7Secretos pig's head on the pitch, it was interesting to hear from Sylvo it even spread to a hostelry with an Irish Sky card on the Finchley Road in London. There a punch-up outside was only prevented from turning into a riot when some of the lads remembered they didn't have the right Burberry baseball hats on. The Portadown/Linfield v Rovers/Bohs games may be a bit tasty, but if everybody pulls their socks up - away fans strictly monitored; bans for violent behaviour; proper policing, etc. - this sort of thing could be minimised.
21/04/2004, 5:52 PM
Andyh

Lopez, you seem to talk an awful lot of sense these days, are you ok?

As for Marty's proposals for a reunited i could go along with them all. I think like him i would be most anxious on keeping the st patricks cross as the badge (with no name across it) and keeping the admin with the Irish Football Association in Belfast. There is a lot of history there, and it's the forth oldest association in the world.

Also in terms of players who couldmake it into an all Island team

Maik Taylor
Aaron Hughes
George McCartney
Damien Johnson
Tommy Doherty

Also promising younger players such as Clyde, Baird, Capaldi
21/04/2004, 6:18 PM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by Andyh

Also in terms of players who couldmake it into an all Island team

Maik Taylor
Aaron Hughes
George McCartney
Damien Johnson
Tommy Doherty

Also promising younger players such as Clyde, Baird, Capaldi

It's spelled "Ireland", not island. ;)

I doubt any of those you have listed would make an all-Ireland team. I'd maybe have Taylor (were he in any way connected with the island, which AFAIK he ain't), Hughes and Johnson as squad players, and that's it. Honestly.

:) PP
21/04/2004, 7:31 PM
liam88

Green, White, Orange stands for unity between Catholics and Protestants.
I say if we have a united team we fly the tri :D
In favour of an all Ireland competition to, great for Irish football as has been said.

Someone mentioned 1690 scarves so mabye a can have flags with 191690 on them and please everyone ;)
21/04/2004, 9:58 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Andyh

Lopez, you seem to talk an awful lot of sense these days, are you ok?

Look us fascists have needed to reform because our message wasn't getting through. Read your uni leaflets: We try to look respectable, but you can't trust us? Same for the commies. What are they called in Spain? United Left? Tut! Bit like Democratic Left. ;)

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Originally Posted by Andyh

As for Marty's proposals for a reunited i could go along with them all. I think like him i would be most anxious on keeping the st patricks cross as the badge (with no name across it) and keeping the admin with the Irish Football Association in Belfast.?

I like the St Pat's badge on a blue shirt. It reminds me of the one my great uncle Eoin wore before he went out to see my other great uncle in Spain, Fat Frank! :rolleyes: Seriously, two footballing nations, two flags. Yes? And the badge that was worn on partition (Celtic cross with harp in the middle) is pretty cool itself.

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Originally Posted by Andyh

There is a lot of history there, and it's the forth oldest association in the world.

Exactly amigo. Just don't forget that pre 1921, half of it is ours!

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Originally Posted by davros

Isn't the NI badge about to be changed/Banned by UEFA,as it is similar to a neo-Fascist emblem...........?

Check the date of the report as filed by moi! First day of the month with the special intention (unsuccessfully) of making DG spit out his Estonian cornetto. :D
22/04/2004, 12:30 AM
lopez

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Originally Posted by davros

Know that....Irony.....is that a fenian saying,dont want to cause offence?As for DG & his gelatto leaving his oral eating receptacle,more chance of RMK saying........'Sumimasen'!

Just testing! ;)
22/04/2004, 8:41 AM
Paddy Ramone

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Originally Posted by liam88

Green, White, Orange stands for unity between Catholics and Prodestants.

It's spelled "Protestant" not "Prodestant".

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Originally Posted by liam88

Someone mentioned 1690 scarves so mabye a can have flags with 191690 on them and please everyone ;)

Great idea! We might have to wait until that year before there is an all-Ireland side. :D
22/04/2004, 8:51 AM
Paddy Ramone

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Originally Posted by lopez

I like the St Pat's badge on a blue shirt. It reminds me of the one my great uncle Eoin wore before he went out to see my other great uncle in Spain, Fat Frank! :rolleyes:

Wasn't there a rumour that your uncle Eoin was in a homosexual relationship with the gay actor Michael MacLiammoir. Which wouldn't surpise me since opposites do attract and those fascists do tend to be gay and into pervy S&M stuff. I don't think it was April fool's day when I heard it. :D
22/04/2004, 9:00 AM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone

Wasn't there a rumour that your uncle Eoin was in a homosexual relationship with the gay actor Michael MacLiammoir. Which wouldn't surpise me since opposites do attract and those fascists do tend to be gay and into pervy S&M stuff. I don't think it was April fool's day when I heard it. :D

A good Catholic boy like Eoin? A citizen of Sodom? :eek:
22/04/2004, 5:45 PM
Andyh

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Originally Posted by lopez

exactly amigo. Just don't forget that pre 1921, half of it is ours!
Check the date of the report as filed by moi! First day of the month with the special intention (unsuccessfully) of making DG spit out his Estonian cornetto. :D

In theory yes... but in practice the matches played as 'Ireland' are credited to what is now Northern Ireland, as the stats in every match programme show.

And Davros... as for the ginger pregnant one... you're having a laugh aren't you?.... I wouldn't have him over any of ROI's current crop of midfielders. He's useless and you'd soon realise that....Michael Hughes... now there's a player....
22/04/2004, 6:28 PM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by Andyh

And Davros... as for the ginger pregnant one... you're having a laugh aren't you?.... I wouldn't have him over any of ROI's current crop of midfielders. He's useless and you'd soon realise that....Michael Hughes... now there's a player....

:D

I take it you've not seen too many Celtic games this season, Andy? After a dreadful spell last season, Lurgan's finest has been outstanding this time out. And, let's face it, you have missed him terribly ever since the numpties from the Village made that phone call...

:D PP
22/04/2004, 7:15 PM
liam88

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Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone

It's spelled "Protestant" not "Prodestant".

Sorry....just a typo :rolleyes:
Been corrected
22/04/2004, 9:01 PM
lopez

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Originally Posted by Andyh

In theory yes... but in practice the matches played as 'Ireland' are credited to what is now Northern Ireland, as the stats in every match programme show.....

No denying that, but the country was at least united. Plus a good few Southerners played, hence my grab. I think the 1914 British Champions was 6 to 5 both sides of what later became the border while Shels and Bohs were both winners of the IFA cup.

No comment on 'the ginger pregnant one!' :D

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