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What's wrong with supporting OSC and Scotland. They are Gaelic countries after all. I support Ireland (that's "the Republic") first of all and then secondly Northern Ireland and thirdly Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
If all you Celtic fans hate Scotland so much why don't you get them to move from Glasgow to Ireland. As for OSC, a lot of them may be bigots but it still is eleven Irishmen in green shirts.
why is this is the eL forum?! :confused:
How the feck did (soft C) Seltic hijack this thread???
This thread should be in general football. Celtic fans hijack everything that's Irish (ask Hibs fans) and hate the Scottish even though their club is Scottish. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
done.........
I just don't understand why Old Firm fans hate Scotland so much even though most of them are Scottish. I once heard a Rangers fan with a thick Glasweigan accent call Scotland "a mickey mouse country". This is what he called his own country. What planet are these idiots from?
Man Utd have traditionally more Irish supporters though which makes them as Irish as Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Certainly was the case in the cities and NE. See election results for 1919 election. Read (I think) 'The Secret History of The IRA' where Martin claims that Derry barely had a Republican prior to 69.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
Most Celtic fans do support Scotland. Those that don't are usually 2G or fanatical chuckies (and they won't support the Free State either). Why don't these support Scotland? Simple! Because like me and my fellow plastics aren't English, they're not f*cking Scottish. Next you'll be saying that I should support England and if I don't I must hate this country and should get my a*se out of it ASAP. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
As for NI, the team is seen in the eyes of Northern nationalists as unionist and there is plenty of evidence to support their case, which I would be glad to offer. Again you may as well suggest to these people: 'You're British...live with it!'
On the money as ever, Señor. Anyone doubting this, get yourselves over to the Huddleboard - www.thehuddleboard.com - and check out exactly what many people think of supporting Scotland and "the Free Staters". It might surprise a few of you who've never been north or east of Dublin before. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
;) PP
Nothing wrong with 2G supporting Ireland. But maybe its just me but if you read Celtic fanzines they do seem to be anti-Scottish. Are all Celtic fanzine writers 2G, I doubt it. I can see also that some people like Mick McCarthy can have divided loyalties. McCarthy's father was Irish but his mother was English. Just because he may have an affinity with England it doesn't mean he shouldn't be regarded as Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Yeah the NI team may be run by unionists but don't the vast majority of Nationalist footballers declare for them rather than Republic. Are the likes of Pat Jennings, Gerry Armstrong and a certain Martin O'Neill "British" becAuse they played for NI? I'd prefer an all-Ireland side myself but the NI team is still made up of Irishmen.
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
On the Northern team, I don't support them and hope they rot. I used to be of the opinion that since they're Irish I should support them, but stuff like death threats against Neil Lennon has changed this. A team with supporters like that doesn't deserve anything from me.
And BTW, Celtic are Scottish, end of story. Give it up, lads. I'll accept that they were set up by Irish people, but that was in 1888. The club has moved on to being an international corporation that now sees Ireland as a source of profit. If Celtic are really serious about being Irish, move here, apply to join the eL. I'd welcome them. Oh wait, I forgot, that would hurt their profits, and the shareholders wouldn't be too happy about that now.
And ManUre Irish? Christ. :rolleyes: Having Irish supporters does not make any team Irish.
Lads, stop deluding yourselves, there are no Irish teams in Britain.
Is that 1 so far then?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
ehhhhh seems to be pete!
I don't know myself as I haven't read a Celtic Fanzine since Not The View in the early nineties. Interesting that when Celtic played Ireland in 91 the crowd booed Scotland the Brave. I mean it wasn't a few whistles, but loads. I meet few Glaswegians at Ireland games but I also know that Scottish society was as discriminatory as NI was up until the eighties at least. When your 5G it's hard to show loyalty to your ancestral home - which incidently may be one of many of which one of the others could be Scotland owing to your religion purely being a result of Ne temere - but discrimination also questions any loyalty to your land of birth either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
The NI team has had a chequered history with nationalists and southerners, and I think it all ended with the disbandment of the British Championship, which was the last link to an all-Ireland side. Perhaps that's simplisitic, but Northern GAA fans do not follow Kerry or Cork so I don't think it's down to the fortunes of both teams but the perception of NI now as a unionist team. There have been a number of Northerners playing in youth teams but - Alan Kernaghan aside - they've yet to play in the Republic's side. I'm also for an all-Ireland team, but they're many against on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
Wasn't the Irish civil war fought over the oath and not partition. Didn't Michael Collins have plans to invade the North before he died. The reason he agreed to have Fermanagh and Tyrone included in NI may have been to destablise the six counties with a large Catholic population.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Anyway many of Collins supporters in the pro-treaty IRA defected to Fianna Fail when it was formed because they resented the recruitment of ex-British soldiers to the Free State army and the heavy handed tactics of the Free State against their former comrades in the anti-treaty IRA. They also resented the fact that Cumann na nGael's leadership was been taken over by Jesuit educated "West British" ex-Home rulers.
Another interesting fact is that Eoin O'Duffy leader of the Bluehirts called for an invasion of Northern Ireland in the late 1930's. Also heard that he may have been involved in a gay relationship with Michael MacLiamore, the Oscar Wilde impersonator.
Back to the topic I welcome the fact that Keane is going to play for Ireland again. I don't have anything against Mick McCarthy but he has to take as much of the blame as Roy does, if not more.
NI supporters aren't all bigots, are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Not at all. But a lot of them are, enough to turn me against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
But if we were to have a truly all-Ireland team, it would be nice to have a few players from a unionist background in NI playing for us and not just nationalists. The NI side would have to be disbanded for that ever to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Fair point, but they would have to be good enough first. Keith Gillespie some years back (as opposed to now, obviously) is the most recent example of an Ulster Protestant who may have made an all-Ireland side. None since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
As an aside, did not Brian Kerr try to persuade Chris Baird (a good Skats surname if ever I heard one, but that doesn't really mean anything...) to opt for us instead of Norn Iron? Baird obviously told him no... :rolleyes: ;)
:) PP