What of the future?

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21/05/2010, 4:33 PM
fieldofmarkets

I don't think the MLS in Amercia is the same as their football association...although it is a centrally governed league with franchises.

If the clubs left...what exaclty would they be loosing? You hear €5M being quoted by the FAI but I wonder how that breaks down exactly. From what I read above, does the FAI get MNS on as part of the national team deal? Would MNS be completely unviable if this link was gone?

Are ground improvements a non-runner without FAI grants or could clubs still apply for those anyway?

Does the FAI get anything out of running the league. For instance, if the clubs were out, would the FAI have to pay them for a league XI to play man utd, an Ireland development team or any other fixture that might be scheduled for the Aviva in the future to pay the associations debts? Do they get something from UEFA for administering the domestic league (might not be money, could be other considerations).

All I am thinking is its not necessarily a clearcut yes to the vote coming up. At the very least the PA might need an adjustment in favour of the clubs. The clubs need to do some serious talking with each other first of course for this to get done. I haven't seen anything that suggests they are at all doing that.

Is a unanimous vote required, a sizeable majority or just 51% needed? Sorry for all the questions.
21/05/2010, 4:58 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

Wrong, England and Scotland broke away from their FA's and rightly so.

Englaish clubs moved from the Football league to the FA Premier League

Scotland was the same, they left the Socttish Football League (and nothing changed...)
21/05/2010, 8:51 PM
Riddickcule

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Englaish clubs moved from the Football league to the FA Premier League

Scotland was the same, they left the Socttish Football League (and nothing changed...)

The Barclays Premier League has nothing to do with the FA at all. The league is owned by the clubs themselves. Same thing happened in Scotland.
21/05/2010, 8:53 PM
Riddickcule

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Originally Posted by Dodge

and for the record I wish people would stop trying to fiddle about with the format and make up of the league. Pick one and get on with it

Far, far, far more important problems (grounds, policing, marketing etc etc)

I agree with you there entirely, but that seems to be all the FAI are doing. In fairness.
21/05/2010, 9:15 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

There are all too many examples of leagues reforming and it has turned out a success, infact , i can't think of any league that has reformed which hasn't been a success.

Care to explain to me how the League of Ireland's reform in 2006 was a success?
21/05/2010, 9:22 PM
shantykelly

it's arguable that the 'reform' carried out to the league set up in england isnt a success - spiralling costs, obscene wages and transfer fees, losing touch with supporters, clubs existing with mounting debt, and so on. What would it take to knock out a club like united, or liverpool, or similar? reform for the sake of reform isnt necessarily a good thing.
21/05/2010, 9:24 PM
Riddickcule

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Care to explain to me how the League of Ireland's reform in 2006 was a success?

No, because it wasn't :confused:
21/05/2010, 9:25 PM
pineapple stu

Yes it was. Big report into it, change of ownership, new plans, new marketing, new teams picked.
21/05/2010, 9:58 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yes it was. Big report into it, change of ownership, new plans, new marketing, new teams picked.

Don't know if the FAI takeover was a success but would a club run league have been any better?

Surely most of the problems since 2006 have been caused by the clubs not being able to run themselves properly
21/05/2010, 10:02 PM
pineapple stu

Not disagreeing with that necessarily. Just challenging Riddickule's post that no league has reformed without success.
21/05/2010, 11:07 PM
Riddickcule

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Not disagreeing with that necessarily. Just challenging Riddickule's post that no league has reformed without success.

Well thats because it wasn't reform it was still the same league.
21/05/2010, 11:59 PM
pineapple stu

SO why mention England so? Same league.
22/05/2010, 12:05 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

Well thats because it wasn't reform it was still the same league.

It wa MORE of a chance than the English equivalent.
22/05/2010, 12:46 AM
Riddickcule

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

SO why mention England so? Same league.

Yeah but the support was already there in England from the public, media etc.
22/05/2010, 12:55 AM
pineapple stu

You're just making criteria up to suit yourself now.
22/05/2010, 5:01 PM
Riddickcule

Stop scouring my posts for flaws and concentrate on the topic ffs.
23/05/2010, 4:48 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

Stop scouring my posts for flaws and concentrate on the topic ffs.

And would you grow up ffs, anyone's perfectly entitled to pick holes in your 'argument', you could probably drive a bus through it as it is.

It was pointed out to you that this whole topic is flawed.

Meanwhile back in reality we know that the clubs will let the fai continue, as alternatives are thin on the ground, and attractive alternatives number about zero.
23/05/2010, 6:08 PM
R�iteoir

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

There are all too many examples of leagues reforming and it has turned out a success, infact , i can't think of any league that has reformed which hasn't been a success. At home the obvious example is the rugby. England, Scotland, Denmark, Norway, Australia, USA. All examples of leagues which reformed or new leagues were created and were a success, so why not Ireland?

The Tippeligaen was just a change of name in 1991 - no new League was actually formed.

In fact - the only major change to the structure of Norwegian football comes at the end of this season with the shrinking of the 3rd Division. The Leagues have ALWAYS been under control of the NFF
23/05/2010, 6:40 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

Stop scouring my posts for flaws and concentrate on the topic ffs.

You think proving your posts are nonsense is straying off topic?
23/05/2010, 10:34 PM
Riddickcule

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You think proving your posts are nonsense is straying off topic?

Yep. Why are you all so confident the Fai is the future, tbh i could see them voted out after the amount of times they've been proven a joke. It would be far better having an independent agency running the top level. Which sole purpose is the league. The Fai have other things to worry about and the league is nothing but a cost burden in Abbotstown.

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