New Management Team for Under 21 Set Up

Don't think a petition will be any use. This guy seems to do what he wants say what he wants with no regard for young players. I do recall him being the first guy to have a problem with Stephen Ireland. Maybe he'd still be a part of the Irish set up still if givens hadn't planted the seed to let the rot set in.
But the fai seem to be more than happy with him so all the petitions in the world won't shove him. If the media started to put some pressure on the association they might feel the need to do something. But with the coverage u21 football gets in Ireland this seems unlikely

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Could we get some sort of petition going outlining the fans dissatisfaction and send it on to the FAI.

Not some facebook farce but one of those proper online petitions. I guarantee it would get thousands of names on it.

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every online petition is pretty much a farce!

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Originally Posted by sixesandsevens

Don't think a petition will be any use. This guy seems to do what he wants say what he wants with no regard for young players. I do recall him being the first guy to have a problem with Stephen Ireland. Maybe he'd still be a part of the Irish set up still if givens hadn't planted the seed to let the rot set in.
But the fai seem to be more than happy with him so all the petitions in the world won't shove him. If the media started to put some pressure on the association they might feel the need to do something. But with the coverage u21 football gets in Ireland this seems unlikely

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Kerr was the first manager to have a problem with Stephen Ireland, he walked out on Kerr when he was in charge of the U17s and Kerr didn't start him in a game in Cork, despite promising to do so.

Kenny Cunningham is the man Ive been saying for ages on here that Id love to see.no management experience yet but has his coaching badges and as a pundit I think he comes across like he knows his stuff. Also as he as recently enough retired from football he wont be so out of touch with the young players as given seems to be.
I want someone in the job who is ambitous to get the senior job some day just like his players have ambition to get into the senior squad. There has to be a high level of motivation to play well and get results. Not winning a compeditive game for 2 and half years is counter productive for the development of players no matter what that Clown Givens says

Welcome to Ireland lads
Im German born but 100% Irish , I just have to say this would never happen in any other country but here.

Its the old thing" ahh sure its Don , hes one the ole boys" mentality

These young men need to be shown a real coach and a person who can lead and guide.
I see Givens in Drogheda when we beat Sweden 1 nil 3 years ago in a friendly of course ...the way he was roaring and almost bully these lads shcoked me.

Sorry for the spelling :O( its been a long day.

You only have to look at the amount of problems he has had with players..

Mc Cann
Ireland
Stokes
Treacy
Connolly
Foran, to name a few , they cant all be in the wrong.

To be honest the one man who can bring serious light to this and be heard is dunphy. After the italy game he started mentioning it on the panel but o'herlihy quietened him. Can you phone into to any of his shows? Or is there a decent way to contact him.

Out U-21 setup should mirror englands, look how competitive they are! And think about it - the last underage manager to have a winning team was kerr, and those players that came out of it had amazing mentalities - duff, keane etc

Givens need to go, almost makes me cry having to think about it

At underage level with McCaffrey and Butler these kids have done well. Some have qualified for the elite stages of the competitions but when they reach U21 level they really start to underachieve. Its quite obvious that Don Givens is the problem.

Cunningham and other ex-players is not the way to go here, A foreign coach is needed to give expert coaching skills and a fresh perspective.

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

Out U-21 setup should mirror englands, look how competitive they are!

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Does it occur to you they are more competitive due to better players and a much larger player pool?

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

Does it occur to you they are more competitive due to better players and a much larger player pool?

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That's part of it, but they have also derived huge benefit from replacing people who aren't performing. Don Givens seems to have exponential credit with the FAI and it boggles the mind.

Online petitions are generally not worth the paper they're not written on, but it would be some indication of the dissatisfaction is we could see how many signatures we can get. Somebody find Chris McCann's facebook - I'm sure he'd be more than happy to lend his name.

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Originally Posted by yapster

Cunningham and other ex-players is not the way to go here, A foreign coach is needed to give expert coaching skills and a fresh perspective.

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I'm unfamiliar with the successes of underage coaches outside of their own country. Please regale us with tales of these conquests.

Trap or Tardelli might know a good coach who could come in and change things up? Wasn't Tardelli an underage manager for Italy at some point?
Cunningham is a decent suggestion but I'd favour someone with experience at this level.
I'd love to hear from the players too. Would any of them credit Givens with "developing" them, I wonder?

I like the idea of contacting Dunphy. He's well capable of getting his voice heard, as we all know, and I think this issue is something that he'd get behind.

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Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

I like the idea of contacting Dunphy. He's well capable of getting his voice heard, as we all know, and I think this issue is something that he'd get behind.

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It certainly would be, but why on earth should the media need to be goaded into making this a talking point in Irish soccer? Are the media that one-dimensional with only eyes focussed on the senior team? I think the lack of pressure being put on Givens has as much to do with the FAI good ol' boys as it does the plain disinterest being shown in the Irish media. Sure Dunphy has mentioned it, fair play to him for doing so, but we really should be questioning the rest of the Irish football journalists who haven't been up in arms about our performance at this level. Media pressure pushes FAI buttons and this thread should be far more interested in e-mailing a couple of the leading football pundits/journalists in the land to start raising the issue. So if anyone here knows come contacts in that business it would go much much further than any online petition/protest.

next home game people could bring givens out banners and hold a protest?

Decent peice from Dan McDonnell in the indo today, developing into a very decent journalist to give him his due.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...w-2089575.html

it was put to giles on newstalk last evening but as he's a mate of givens he didnt want to say very much. he did say it should really be up to the senior manager to choose who it is and that the senior manager should have a bigger role with the 21s

great article! Hopefully a few more journalists will pick up on this matter as well, but fair play to the lad for getting the ball rolling in the press

Can't we get a petition going to try and get rid of this simpering moron? Anyone else in any other country with the same record would've been fired long ago. They should fire him today, it's a results based game ffs!

Should we get Dunphy on him. Serious

It's just incredible that absolutely no standards need to be met. My second biggest fear would be that they'd replace Givens with some other old fella deep in the pockets of the FAI. Likely enough scenario I'd imagine. My biggest fear, obviously, is that Givens will remain til death do us part.