Poll please

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

we were also on the end of a bad decision (andrews goal) in that game and id say most fans thought the two evened themselves out

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I think we all know that it was more to do with the Irish not caring because they hadn't been on the end of it. The same as every fan of every team on this planet doesn't care when the dodgy decision goes their way. They have a moan about it and move on. Sadly the Irish fans bemoaning our bad luck seem to have lost the memo about moving on and acting with a bit of dignity

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

so henrys handball had nothing to do with the goal? what drivel

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Of course it had something to do with the goal, but it was still a bad decision by the officials to give it, and they're the ones charged with catching these things (like Anelka's dive and Keane's handballs in the French area)

I say no replay. If we want to stop this happening in the future, then Fifa must introduce video replay.If they dont, then we have to except it for they way it is and just deal with it and move on.I have to say all this crying is becoming embarrassing, kinda makes me cringe .

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Now start looking at incidents - say the Eduardo dive - where it's hard to tell if a player was deliberately cheating or if it was just a bad ref call. You have people sueing for replays all over the shop. You have players sueing for slander if a replay is given (thus saying they were cheating).

Again, if Ireland were worried about fair play against Georgia, they could have overruled the ref's decision by missing the penalty. You could argue Ireland cheated to win that game. The players knew it wasn't a penalty, but scored it anyway.

I do agree Henry should pick up a two match ban or something (first two games of the World Cup). But people need to realise a replay would be setting an untterly unacceptable precedent in the game.

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I tend to agree. A 3-match ban for Henry (group games) be a strong signal of intent. And make me feel better :)

There is no way there will be a replay - sure FIFA are the biggest cheats of all in deciding to change the rules of the competition after it started, by seeding the playoffs.

What will they do next ? - decide that matches are only 80 minutes long if France are beating New Zealand with 10 minutes to go in the WC final *


* intentional exaggeration but it would sort of be the same idea

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

There is no way there will be a replay - sure FIFA are the biggest cheats of all in deciding to change the rules of the competition after it started, by seeding the playoffs.

What will they do next ? - decide that matches are only 80 minutes long if France are beating New Zealand with 10 minutes to go in the WC final *


* intentional exaggeration but it would sort of be the same idea

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agr

No replay (though if we get one I won't complain as ridiculous as it would be to give one)
Its a differant matter if France agree to one, rather than FIFA ordering one.

However, I hope the fuss keeps raging, though not from politicians or fans marching, because Henry needs to be punished, not so much for the handball but his subsequant behaviour. Oh and not forgetting the linesman, the biggest cheat of all in my opinion

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You know what? Let's not have a poll.

Let's get out of this mindset of Sky text ins and radio phone ins and "We want your opinion"...

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God forbid people express their opinion on a forum. You're right, there is no provision in the rules for a replay, but some people think it'd be fair all the same. I don't want a poll, but I'd be damned before I'd tell people they can't have one just because I didn't like the question.

The moderation on the Ireland sub-forum has gone to hell recently. The mods are all prancing about telling people what to think in the most arrogant and trollish of fashions. I'll not be posting here again for a bit.

I think in a fair world yes a reply but life is tough, the most ruthless survive. survival of the fittest and all that.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Should there be a replay?

(a) Yes

(b) No, the referee's decision is final.

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(b) No, the referee's decision is final,

as consolation,
a FIFA sponsored award and
a Robbie Keane statue on the Champs Élysées.

I'm gutted we didn't make the WC but the referee's decision is final, if it happened the other way nobody would be doing anything except celebrating so can we please lose the 'beal bocht' mentality, deal with the reality and stop trying to make this into an embarassing worlwide episode of the Joe Duffy show?

If we want to affect real change within football then the FAI should follow the proper channels within FIFA and try and change the rules to ensure something similar doesn't happen again but let's put aside the hyperbole and hysteria and sense of self righteous injustice which has swept the country in the last few days.

no,if this happened in the greece ukraine game we wouldnt give a **** and we wouldnt be jumping on the "its for the good of fair play" bandwagon

My point exactly!

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Originally Posted by soccerboy

no,if this happened in the greece ukraine game we wouldnt give a **** and we wouldnt be jumping on the "its for the good of fair play" bandwagon

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maybe not but if it was a similar case of another small country being cheated by a bigger one I would feel the same way. no one can deny that fifa made it pretty clear that they want the bigger teams there where possible. fifa's attitude is fueling peoples feelings of injustice

if france offer a reply - I say take it.

the game is rotten anyway - holding it up and saying actually why mess with it because it might cause a fuss is not a great point.

lets have people been accountable for a chance.

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Originally Posted by Junior

Henry Should be sanctioned.

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I don't understand this. I mean I know at the time I was calling Henry every name under the sun but when you look back at it, he doesn't deserve to be sanctioned more heavily for something that would only have warranted a yellow card had the ref seen it at the time. He shouldn't be punished more heavily just because it wasn't spotted at the time.
There shouldn't be a replay. I mean I would love if there was but there is no FIFA rule out there to justify a replay.

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Originally Posted by soccerboy

no,if this happened in the greece ukraine game we wouldnt give a **** and we wouldnt be jumping on the "its for the good of fair play" bandwagon

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I disagree, obviously we wouldnt be as pi**ed off but I would certainly support them. In fact, the only consolation I get from the other night was that Slovenia knocked out Russia and FIFA didnt get a clean sweep of their precious first seeds.

And what if an Irish player's handball had meant we went through instead of the French?

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Originally Posted by eaststand85

And what if an Irish player's handball had meant we went through instead of the French?

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he would be a 'cute hoor' and 'streetwise' and we would be laughing all the way to SA - and anybody who says different is living in cloud cuckoo land - where I suspect a sizeable proportion of Irish fans currently reside (although the short lived mass hysteria will pass)

I'd like a replay but the rules are clear and the ref's decision is final. To order a rematch would open the floodgates to chaos. But Henry should receive some sore of censure to send a message that FIFA dont agree with this sort of thing.

Also I wonder whether the Irish team could bring themselves to repeat that performance again in a replay?

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Originally Posted by GalwayRed

I don't understand this. I mean I know at the time I was calling Henry every name under the sun but when you look back at it, he doesn't deserve to be sanctioned more heavily for something that would only have warranted a yellow card had the ref seen it at the time. He shouldn't be punished more heavily just because it wasn't spotted at the time.
There shouldn't be a replay. I mean I would love if there was but there is no FIFA rule out there to justify a replay.

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You understand that Henry cheated right?

All Im saying is that it was missed at the time and video evidence has since proved that it happened and as a result FIFA should sanction him in the interests of their Fair Play ethos.

They did this with Eduardo (2 match ban) for the dive against Celtic which also would only have been a booking if captured at the time. The fact that it was later overturned on appeal is irrelevant - FIFA saw fit to impose a 2 game ban on its first review.

For the record I also said a Replay should not be granted. I completely understand everyones disappointment and frustration but campaigns at the French Embassy and the like are not for me. It was cruel but we should have done it in 90 minutes.

Hopefully, FIFA will at least be embarassed enough to implement further assistance for the officials, whether that be video, or extra officials.

Of course there shouldn't be a replay, refs decision is final. However, in the absence of video evidence being introduced during the game then meaningful retrospective punishments should be introduced for clear instances of cheating. If Henry was facing a 3 match ban he wouldn't have done it or would have admitted it at the time if it was purely instinctive as he claims. Problem is that doesn't happen, Raul got a one match ban for scoring against Leeds with his hand in the Champions League which was overturned as soon as Madrid bitched about it to UEFA. Same with Eduardo this season with Arsenal v Celtic. This has to change but won't under the current regime.

Comparing Henry's handball with a normal yellow card offence is laughable, the end result of the handball has to be considered. Comparing the Georgia game and that penalty decision to what happened on Weds is laugahble as well, they are not like for like situations (notwithstanding Andrews disallowed goal and the penalty we didn't get away to Montenegro into the equation as regards luck evening out anyway).

The likes of Jebus and Pineapple Stu are just part of an ever dwindling band of Roy Keane disciples incapable of any thought other then repeating his ramblings verbatim, it's like watching a cult slowly die out.