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I don't like that guy but I have to admit he has a point. We did get a ridiculous penalty decision against Georgia - at least as debatable as the Henry incident - and we should have cleared the ball. There is obviously bad feeling between him and McShane / Given so he managed to get a dig in there. He's also right about Delaney. Maybe he should have been answering questions about how his own team is so sh1t though.
He makes obvious points, which everybody are well aware of and which are totally irrelevent to the fact that Henry cheated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeside Swagger
shocking defending after 115 minutes .. right you are. Comparing the Georgia game to a game of this magnitude ..Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
(its a fair point about the penalty but it was not a deliberate action (i.e. error by the ref) to compare with Henry's cheating)
Just shows his managerial style when he says he would have laid into Shay after the game for his mistake and not mentioned the handball. Like to have seen him try.
He would have been better served by keeping his mouth shut for a few days .. but as usual the man has certain revenge missions to get out of his system.
What about the stonewall penalty for handball we didn't get away to Montenegro, was Roy out walking the dog when that game was on? Or does not mentioning that while crapping on about Georgia suit his agenda better? And for him to go on about moving on and getting over things? Please. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Why another thread on this self-publicising ASS?
I don't know what he says, I don't care what he says and, shouldn't a guy who can't take a team out of the bottom three of the Championship be concentrating on that task?
What is his point. If can you find one, somebody might be able to answer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
That penalty doesn't matter because you've missed his point basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Which is the same as my point, which is as follows
If the Irish want to call foul and scream about fair play and the good of the game and hold them up as shining lights of integrity then do you not see us taking the penalty and the three points against Georgia instead of either a) telling the ref it was never a penalty, or b) saying we'll replay the game when it became obvious afterwards we should never have had it is a little hypocritical?
Doesn't matter about the magnitude of the game either, you're either for fair play or you're not, no degrees of cheating or fairness can be accepted
Cheek of this man to make a series of valid points, especially our greatest (if not the greatest of all, according to Alan Hansen) player in Premier League history!
The truth hurts, sometimes we don't want to hear it - McShane was at fault for the goal, Duffer has admitted he would have done the same as Henry and we're not going to South Africa.
It must also be pointed out that Henry didn't deny us a place in the World Cup, just a penalty shoot-out.
Who's to say France wouldn't have scored in extra-time anyway. They were the more dangerous team at that point and we didn't create didly squat in the entire 30 mins of extra-time.
stopped reading after "Premier League history"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
regardless of what keane has to say at this point, his point is is lost for many people - reason being he seems to only appear and comment when there is a chance to have a dig.
I'm all for fair play as it happens and no Irish players cheated Georgia. We were given a soft penalty decision. If France were given a soft penalty decision - one earned not by cheating but just by refereeing error - I doubt anybody in Ireland would be calling for a replay. We'd just moan our bad luck instead.
In a big knock out game like this the significance is magnified. It's not just "one of those things that even themselves out over a season".
Just Keano doing some more score settling. Nothing more to see here.
How is it embarrassing nonsense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeside Swagger
Only someone who has no real interest in sport or the principles of sport would think it was embarrassing nonsense.
This is much bigger than Henry's goal. It's about standing up for what's right in sport. The fact Ireland is involved in incidental. If it happened to any other country I hope we would all feel the same way about this.
The French achieved a blatently unfair advantage. If this was an athletics race and it was discovered the winner had taken steroids or other enhancing drugs, what then? Disqualify them and strip them of their medal, or just turn a blind eye to it and say it would be embarrassing nonsense and a sore loser to disqualify them.
I would wish the French well if they won the match any other way, penalty shoot-out, flukely but legal goal, wicked deflection, etc etc. But not by cheating which Henry clearly did. A competitve match was turned into a farce by his illegal actions. As far as I am concerned the final result is not legitimate and I don't care what FIFA are saying at the moment. If it was Ireland who scored you can be sure they would be demanding a replay right at this very moment.
Like I said this is bigger than just the Irish soccer team. It's fundamentally about the integrity of soccer and if you think protecting the integrity of soccer is embarrassing nonsense, then I'm sorry you are not a true soccer fan.
We wouldn't though. If it'd happened to England most people would be jumping about celebrating and slagging them about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
All valid points, but not from a man who himself is a hypocrite and never followed a doctrine of fair play. He has just used this situation like many others to settle perceived injustices towards him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
As usual, Keane is only answering the hacks questions - Managers having a press conference on a Friday before a game, who'd have thunk it?
The only point I could really see people taking issue with was trying to blame Given. McShane should've put the ball out instead of letting it go, Ireland did have the chances to win it in normal time, there was no clamour for a replay after Georgia and Delaney is a knob.
Fair enough comment to me, being anti FAI/ Delaney isn't being feckin anti-Irish.Quote:
I think the supporters deserve better, the manager (Giovanni Trapattoni) deserves better and probably most of the players deserve better, but I'm not sure the FAI deserve better.
Roy Keane can go to hell, I have completely changed my mind upon him, he is a traitor and a piece of sh*t.
He should shut up, he is a thug and a crap manager, pushing up the Championship with a team he wasted millions on, all his own work no excuses for him.
He won't make it as a manager because he is a spineless selfiish **** bit like Stephen Ireland but with less skill and more thuggary.
**** off Keano you tawt. League one for you assuming they don't sack you first.
What a ****.
I've noticed in a lot of your posts you label people who disagree with your points as not knowing anything about football or not true fans (twice in the above post alone), this point of view is narrow minded and doesn't assist me and most people on here who are trying to have an intelligent debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Its nonsense because it simply can't and won't ever happen. Even Trapp agrees (i suppose he knows nothing about football as well?). If you read the end of my post I suggested how the FAI could go about this with dignity and maybe help bring in a change that would eliminate these issues in the future.
You are confusing nationalism with support for the integrity of soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
If it happened to England, (a) there would be an even bigger fuss and demand for a replay with Gordan Brown demanding a replay (even though he's Scottish) and (b) they'd have the same right to demand a replay as us.
The whole issue here is the integrity of soccer. The current system where linesmen and referees can make massive mistakes and then FIFA can say, 'it's none of our business, mistakes like these must stand' is just not good enough. There has to be a change. Video refereeing has to be brought in for such major instances in matches.
The one thing he says that really gets to me is "probably most of the players deserve better"
Name one player Roy that doesn't deserve better?
Just because you have a massive chip on your shoulder and are angry with the FAI dont take it out on the players who gave EVERYTHING they had for Ireland on wednesday night...
Dont take digs at players who witnessed you make a TOTAL fool of yourself in a meeting room in Saipan just because they wanted to play in a world cup instead of backing you up when you couldn't keep your mouth shut for another month
Roy you are an a**hole and I despise you greatly....
Rant over!!!