Kevin Kilbane

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Declan_Michael
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Originally posted by Slash/ED
[B]different position at club level, ahead of people like Miller, who are preforming in central mid field at a higher level then Kilbane and in better form then Kilbane?

Higher level? The Scottish prem is one horse race, two horse at best. Apart from his well documented 'move' to Man United will he displace Keane, Butt, Scholes doubt it.

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And the English league is a how many horse race, there are more similarities than you think.

As for the friendly I'd have Reid there ahead of Kilbane anyday.

Quote: Have you missed Millers preformances in the champions league this season? You can only play well against what's on front of you and Miller did it in europes premier competition, aswell as the below standard SPL, week in week out.

From wot i remember he was outstanding against anderlecht and the gers at ibrox, but apart from that hes not really set the world alight. Even though he scored against lyon he'd just come on, and sutton was the real star that night. Although its true u can only play against wots put in front of u, i think that miller still has alot to prove, he is a good prospect.

All this talk about the Spl and EPL being two horse races is true, but at the end of the day, teams like hibs, hearts, the dundee clubs and livingstone r not in the same league as chelsea, newcastle, or even the long ball specialists at anfield. It is pointless to compare the two leagues.

Getting back to KK, the true is he probley won't be in kerr's long term plans, duffer has to be played down the left to be truely effective, and without practise i can't see him being played at leftback. Although for tonights game with duffer out, and him being in good form, he will start id say.

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Originally posted by petef
And the English league is a how many horse race, there are more similarities than you think.

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At least the other teams get a look in occasionally.

P GD PTS
1 Arsenal 25 33 61
2 Man Utd 25 26 56
3 Chelsea 25 27 55
4 Liverpool 25 9 38
5 Newcastle 25 9 38
6 Charlton 25 4 37

Premiership is all about three teams, only one more than the scottish. Mind you could say the Scottish is now all about one :)

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Originally posted by petef
P GD PTS
1 Arsenal 25 33 61
2 Man Utd 25 26 56
3 Chelsea 25 27 55
4 Liverpool 25 9 38
5 Newcastle 25 9 38
6 Charlton 25 4 37

Premiership is all about three teams, only one more than the scottish. Mind you could say the Scottish is now all about one :)

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Even the second tier of english teams (Liverpool, Newcastle) would find life easy in the Scottish league. You can count the amount of outstanding players in the scottish league on one hand. Even England have disregarded Sutton and Thompson.

It's not rated highly and thats probably why their is talk of the old firm moving to English league.

Brilliant performance from Kilbane last night.
He ran at the defence and lifted the whole team.
He could have been so much better if we had a decent left full-back behind him.

its great to see him getting praise at last after been at lansdowne too many times when he was getting jeered. Its funny how peoples opinions change so quickly. If all the irish team showed the same commitment and hardwork that he did we would be in a much better position. O shea looked ok but did not seem to want to attack but a much more assured performance from him defensively.

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Originally posted by Peadar
He could have been so much better if we had a decent left full-back behind him.

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WUM :D

Thought he was poor enough going forward, but did okay (and only okay) defensively for most of the match.

I've raised this point on here about Kilbane before, but here goes again.

I've never seen a player divide people so much as KK - last night was an absolute case in point. I've already seen people on this thread saying he was magnificent and put in an inspired performance. Yet people around me on the South Terrace last night were throwing their arms up in despair and shouting for him to be subsituted early in the 2nd half. What is it about him that some people see him play great football and others think he is like a lame donkey?

For the record I thought he once again tried his guts out and looked good defensively and was a threat in the air going forward. However he offers nothing more than kick and chase on the deck and doesn't have the skill to get out of the blind alleys he chases into. I wouldn't discard him, but I'd definitely have Duff in ahead of him on the left anyday.

For winger it's rare he beats his man, either for pace or skill and his final ball is more often poor than not. Last night he happened to do both. I nearly dropped my pint.

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Originally posted by Declan_Michael
Even the second tier of english teams (Liverpool, Newcastle) would find life easy in the Scottish league.

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Not only that, but eircom league clubs would survive in the SPL going on european results over the past few years.

thought that Kilbane was great last night, put in a load of work and while his lacking is still actually getting the cross in, he was one of the few who took players on. he was great defensively and won a lot of frees (which we should have done more with), i thought he was great.

He skinned Cafu late in the second half and barely ran for the rest of the game, other than that I thought he was decent.

There was a collective "what the fcuk" arround me in the south terrace when Clinton was announced as MOTM, personnally I thought it would go to one of Given, Carr and Kavanagh.

One of the most surreal sights ever though had to be Ronaldo marking Andy O'Brien for a corner!

Thought Holland should have come off, maybe for Delap? If nothing else we know he can't play right wing. Ever.

Crowd reaction to McAteer warming up was classic "Trigger, I fcuking love ya!" was among the funniest. Along with "you're sh!t and you know you are" directed at Roberto Carlos. Him giving out to Cafu for a cross field pass that bounced over his foot was priceless.

Have to wonder if Clinton will turn into another David Connolly :o

Typical Kilbane last night. Worked his arse off, went on some runs, and at the end of every run his lack of class showed and the end result was always the same, he either ran at one guy too much, or passed/crossed the ball to the opposition. We all love a guy who gives so much to the cause, but he just doesn't have the technique to play at this level. Squad member for us, imo, because his versatility and workrate have some value for us, but isn't good enough to start for an international side trying to compete for something.

I've seen Kavanagh play for Cardiff about 6 times now and was disappointed with the standard of his set-pieces. He can do much better.

slash how can you say that kilbane should not start for us ? id love to see where these peole are that are going to come through? kilbane has been our more consistent player for the last few games and how could you drop a player in great form for his club side ?

Im sure youll say Liam Miller again but the kid has not played for us yet and has to cement a place down at manu before he can take the place of the likes of kilbane or kavanagh ..

I'm a fan of Kilbane. As is always said tries his heart out. Personally would like to see him tried at left back. He's defensively strong enough and could support going forward. I'd be interested to see how it would work out and if successful it leaves no reason to keep Ian Harte in the squad. Bonus.
As regards Kav i was amazed by how poor his set pieces were as it is such a strong part of his game. But despite that last night he looked like providing something that has been missing from recent midfield line ups.

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Originally posted by only1kilbane
slash how can you say that kilbane should not start for us ? id love to see where these peole are that are going to come through? kilbane has been our more consistent player for the last few games and how could you drop a player in great form for his club side ?

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Who's going to come through? Blonde fella, plays for Chelsea, I've heard good things...

And he's not been our most consistent player in our last few games, he's been average at best and was woeful, again, in Basle.

Read what I said, I'm not bothered typing it all out again, I'm not going to go for some knee jerk reaction based on a few months of supposed good form (Again, I've not seen it myself) with Everton V years of form for us and Sunderland, he's just got the ability to play at this level, as much as he trys his arse off and we all love him for it. Squad player at best.

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Originally posted by Slash/ED
And he's not been our most consistent player in our last few games, he's been average at best and was woeful, again, in Basle.

I'm not going to go for some knee jerk reaction based on a few months of supposed good form (Again, I've not seen it myself) with Everton V years of form for us and Sunderland.

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have to disagree, he's been consistently good since Kerr took over. nobody played well in Basle, and he was far from the worst on that field that day, and he was certainly our best midfielder.

there's nothing supposed about his good form, he's been excellent, the everton fans' christening him 'Zinedine Kilbane', might be tongue in cheek, but it's because they appreciate him. He's a form player, he's improved and a lot of that is probably due to David Moyes who seems to bring that little bit extra out of players.

If a player is playing well, if he's gotten better, you forget what he was before.

....or do you remember Thierry Henry as a right winger who couldn't cut it in Italy.