Mickey Collins - Again

It'd be embarassing if we were pursuing this. Can't see what we have to gain from it really, Dundalk would just be deducted the three points.

Regardless, rules are rules, and should be applied. It shouldn't be up to clubs to bring them to light, the FAI should do it themselves.

Maybe I'm being naive in thinking the FAI are this advanced, but if they record the teamsheets on a computer program, would the program not recognise that a suspension is outstanding and flag the player up as having a suspension outstanding?

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Originally Posted by Maribor

Is it the same people? No.

Completely spurious comparison.

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Well the Derry fans were all high and mightly at the time when Ollie was acting the maggot, so I think it's very ironic.

Put your neck line on the line! Do you approve of Derry taking this course of action in this instance?

Personally I hate to see any clubs reaching for the rule book after a defeat. I have seen schoolboys team at it, sickening! Ollie disgraced himself at it for years and am disgusted to see another club at it now apparently!

Make your complaints before the game or else live with it is my oponion.

bhs

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Originally Posted by SMorgan

However, if Derry want the 3 points they can have them. We'll sit back and let Bohs, Rovers and Cork get upset about it.

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can we have them, were finding it difficult at the moment picking up 3 points from anyone, so these would be great

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

Well the Derry fans were all high and mightly at the time when Ollie was acting the maggot, so I think it's very ironic.

Put your neck line on the line! Do you approve of Derry taking this course of action in this instance?

Personally I hate to see any clubs reaching for the rule book after a defeat. I have seen schoolboys team at it, sickening! Ollie disgraced himself at it for years and am disgusted to see another club at it now apparently!

Make your complaints before the game or else live with it is my oponion.

bhs

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You found a case when supporters look hypocritical in the light of more recent actions? Well done, brew yourself a hot cocoa chief.

I have stated twice already in this thread that I think Derry are completely wrong. I am aware that figures around the club have counseled against the decision as well.

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Originally Posted by Black and White

Gavin Whelan was suspended for a match, think it was the Drogs second game of the season!You dont serve a suspension during pre season, it goes on to the league so. I would also like to point out that it does really sound liek SOUR GRAPES to me!

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The point is that Gavin Whelan did not receive an "Automatic Suspension in next League of Ireland match as per FIFA directive" which applies only to sending-offs received in competitive games.

His suspension was a two-match ban (and €50 fine) which he received at a FAI disciplinary meeting on 25 March, the match in question was on 24 Feb, and he subsequently served these in April - matches no 5 and 6.
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/loi/news.asp?n=36201

This clearly verifies that there is no standing automatic one-match, next-match suspension applying for friendlies.

This is an entirely seperate point from the fact that the FAI did not have jurisdictional autonomy on any disciplinary action on Collins.

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

Well the Derry fans were all high and mightly at the time when Ollie was acting the maggot, so I think it's very ironic.

Put your neck line on the line! Do you approve of Derry taking this course of action in this instance?

Personally I hate to see any clubs reaching for the rule book after a defeat. I have seen schoolboys team at it, sickening! Ollie disgraced himself at it for years and am disgusted to see another club at it now apparently!

Make your complaints before the game or else live with it is my oponion.

bhs

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No one here is approving of the line we are taking. So it's a daft comparison.

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

Well the Derry fans were all high and mightly at the time when Ollie was acting the maggot, so I think it's very ironic.

Put your neck line on the line! Do you approve of Derry taking this course of action in this instance?

Personally I hate to see any clubs reaching for the rule book after a defeat. I have seen schoolboys team at it, sickening! Ollie disgraced himself at it for years and am disgusted to see another club at it now apparently!

Make your complaints before the game or else live with it is my oponion.

bhs

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Every Derry fan has said they disagree with the line taken yet your still getting all high and mighty,now I like giggle at Muckers any chance I get but your just on a wind up mate:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

Well the Derry fans were all high and mightly at the time when Ollie was acting the maggot, so I think it's very ironic.

Put your neck line on the line! Do you approve of Derry taking this course of action in this instance?

Personally I hate to see any clubs reaching for the rule book after a defeat. I have seen schoolboys team at it, sickening! Ollie disgraced himself at it for years and am disgusted to see another club at it now apparently!

Make your complaints before the game or else live with it is my oponion.

bhs

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Not even one Derry fan has so far agreed with this from our club, so it's obvious that.............. blackholesun wrote "Do you approve of Derry taking this course of action in this instance?" ........ then the answer is NO.!!!!

Fair enough so, I hadnt had a chance to read all the earlier responses ...

bhs

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Originally Posted by srfc1928

can we have them, were finding it difficult at the moment picking up 3 points from anyone, so these would be great

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No get your own :D

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

It'd be embarassing if we were pursuing this. Can't see what we have to gain from it really, Dundalk would just be deducted the three points.

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would the result not be changed to 3-0 derry??if derry arent gonna get the points from it i cant see why on earth they would pursue it,what this needs is the FAI to come out and say he was/wasn't suspended and put it to bed once and for all

Connor plays down reports of Derry appeal regarding Collins
http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/3418/C...-of.5480165.jp

It’s strange that Derry City appear, to an extent, to be distancing themselves from the appeal. According to them, they have been approached by a barrister that wants to pursue the matter with the FAI on the club's behalf. Ye right!!

The club could do worse than explain to the barrister the previsions within the Participation Agreement regarding clubs taking legal action against the FAI.

This is a nothing story that's going nowhere.

Some additional material from the print edition of that Dundalk Democrat article, including Sean Connor comments:

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"It sounds like somebody is clutching at straws because Derry City FC is a club that I respect and admire 100%" he said. "They are a great club and the honesty and integrity of the people that run the club is fabulous. The club is built on good people and a good city and for me they are the template for this football club. If we can strive to do what Derry City have done over the last five years, when they have been, in my eyes, the most consistent club in the country, then we will do pretty well"

"I'd hope they are not in the kind of trouble that we hear they are in because they are an intrical part of the community in Derry and in the League of Ireland" he added.

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This is high praise to be lavished on another football club, and perhaps is an accurate reflection of the general attitude towards Derry City within the football fraternity.

Derry City FC should make a comment on their position in the interests of protecting that reputation. In the absense of a clarification, this potential legal challenge will hang over the league table like an albatross, waiting to see if the 3 points in question have any relevance to Derrys final league place.

Otherwise that "honesty and integrity of the people that run the club" will take a further and justifiable pounding.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Some additional material from the print edition of that Dundalk Democrat article, including Sean Connor comments:



This is high praise to be lavished on another football club, and perhaps is an accurate reflection of the general attitude towards Derry City within the football fraternity.

Derry City FC should make a comment on their position in the interests of protecting that reputation. In the absense of a clarification, this potential legal challenge will hang over the league table like an albatross, waiting to see if the 3 points in question have any relevance to Derrys final league place.

Otherwise that "honesty and integrity of the people that run the club" will take a further and justifiable pounding.

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Not one Derry fan agrees with the appeal process we would rather the club concentrates on footballing matters and with a big game ahead tomorrow night all our efforts should be put into this. We played rubbish that night, the better team won by a mile we got what we deserved from it nothing and think the club will not pursue it any longer

I wish the Demo would use a spell check, 'intrical'!! ffs :D :o

Who's this busybody barrister who has offered his services to Derry?

http://www.bobpitch.com/anon/LionelHutz.jpg

Not sure why Sean Connor's view is in any way relevant, although he does have recent experience of the legal process.

Maybe if he just invited Kenny out for a quiet drink it would easily be sorted.....

Mirror today basically says that the FAI have told Derry where to go as they do not have a foot to stand on. Perhaps they're covering their won tracks but it does say that they dont have any grounds to get the 3 points as Collins was infact technically still a Newry player.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Not sure why Sean Connor's view is in any way relevant, although he does have recent experience of the legal process.

Maybe if he just invited Kenny out for a quiet drink it would easily be sorted.....

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I think he's the manager of the accused club :confused:

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Maybe if he just invited Kenny out for a quiet drink it would easily be sorted.....

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It might be more appropriate for the Derry chairman to have a not so quiet word with Kenny.....(if indeed Kenny is the one making the running on this nonsense)