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No one would argue that Dublin isn't Irish but the locals were waving Union Jacks when Queen Victoria visited.Quote:
Originally posted by liam88
Shankhill-West Belfast, Union Jacks All over, God Save the Queen sung all the time, "F**k the Fenians"-how the heck is any of this Irish?
It's Shankill not Shankhill which derived from Sean Cill, which is Irish for the old church. It has an Irish placename and is on the island of Ireland which makes Irish enough for me.
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The issue of Ireland is about nationality not religion. In this country there are plenty of papists queuing up to lick Brenda's royal sphincter, even though they cannot marry her children. To bring up Republicanism's protestant heroes is missing the point.Quote:
Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
The first Irish Republicans were Ulster Prebyterians. There's even a prominent member of the DUP who claims descent from Henry Joy McCracken.
This is, as you probably agree looking at your smile, a load of b*llocks, largely discredited by anyone with an once of savvy. Some unionists tried to claim Cuchullain - 'protecting Ulster from Irish (sic.) hordes' as one brief mural pointed out - as their own, but have given up with the continuation by nationalists of portraying him as a specifically Celtic Irish legend. Even the red hand is from Ireland's Celtic mythology.Quote:
Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
Some Unionists claim descent from the Cruithin the original inhabitants of Ireland before the Celts.
Exactly. And the first thing to do is accept their desire to be British citizens while not discriminating against their rights within an all - Ireland state, as Irish citizens are in Britain and indeed other British citizens are in the 26C. The continuation of that citizenship after two generations will be a matter for the British government, as it is them that is responsible for this.Quote:
Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
If there was ever to be a United Ireland an accomodation would have to be reached with the Protestant people in Northern Ireland. They belong on this island just as much as we do.
The first Irish Republicans were from the same ethnic group as Ian Paisley, known as the Scotch-Irish in America.Quote:
Originally posted by lopez
The issue of Ireland is about nationality not religion. In this country there are plenty of papists queuing up to lick Brenda's royal sphincter, even though they cannot marry her children. To bring up Republicanism's protestant heroes is missing the point.
This is, as you probably agree looking at your smile, a load of b*llocks, largely discredited by anyone with an once of savvy. Some unionists tried to claim Cuchullain - 'protecting Ulster from Irish (sic.) hordes' as one brief mural pointed out - as their own, but have given up with the continuation by nationalists of portraying him as a specifically Celtic Irish legend. Even the red hand is from Ireland's Celtic mythology.
Most Irish people are descended from the first inhabitants of Ireland. There is no archaelogical evidence of a "Celtic Invasion". Given the amount of movement between Ireland and Scotland, you would have to say that large percentage of the Unionist population are also descended from those aboringinal inhabitants.
I think it is great that Unionists are trying to claim Cuchulainn and rediscover their Gaelic heritage.