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29/04/2009, 11:29 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Flexy

Are prev yrs results not used now for eg Cliftonville or Crusaders would miss a round before Derry as they won the cup in the North

Not sure what you're asking?

There are two different strands to qualification.

First is Access. This means that regardless of what clubs are involved a countries qualifiers are automatically assigned to certain rounds. In some cases that might mean that one team enters at the first round, and one team enters at the second round. Which qualifiers from each country go into which round is based on performance in the qualifying season. For the Europa league the order is Cup winners, 2nd in league, 3rd in league. If the cup winners are the league champions the order is 2nd in league, 3rd in league, cup runners up. If the cup runners up finish in 2nd or 3rd in the league the order is 2nd in league, 3rd in league, 4th in league (In our case Pats, Derry, Sligo)

When each team is assigned to each round, only then individual rankings come into it. In this case Derry will be a higher seed than Sligo, because of their results in the UEFA Cup a few years ago. Pats and Derry should have the same ranking. All LOI clubs have a higher seeding than clubs in the North. When we played Odense in 2007 they were the top seeds in our round despite being the last Danish qualifier. They were also the top seed in the next round due to their high individual rankings
29/04/2009, 11:40 AM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by seand

I suppose it's good news really, but from a coefficient gathering point of view I'd rather they started in the first qualifying round for a few easy points!

What's the point of gaining coefficient points if not to get a bye through the first qualifying round?
29/04/2009, 11:43 AM
holidaysong

According to this page, Derry and Sligo will be seeding in QR1 and St. Pat's will be seeded in QR2. Also, if they get through the first round Derry will be seeded in QR2 but Sligo might not.

And according to this page Bohemians won't be seeded in QR2 of the CL (although it's effectively the same round as last year's QR1).
30/04/2009, 3:40 AM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

And according to this page Bohemians won't be seeded in QR2 of the CL (although it's effectively the same round as last year's QR1).

check this out!

we might possibly be seeded depending on results of other european leagues.
30/04/2009, 8:32 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by SkStu

check this out!

we might possibly be seeded depending on results of other european leagues.

Where did he get those figures from? Look at Bert's page. According to him the very best Bohs could do is be the top unseeded team
30/04/2009, 2:14 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Where did he get those figures from? Look at Bert's page. According to him the very best Bohs could do is be the top unseeded team

we will likely be unseeded for sure Dodge but from some of the lads on the bohs mb there is still a chance.

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Just read because the European Champion will all more than likely qualify through the group stages (Arsenal the only not possible,would be a disaster though), the title holders place goes to Belgium team in Q3 which means Switzerland is bumped up to Q3 from our Q2. They will be replaced with 2 from Q1.So the 16 bolded teams above are defo seeded.That leaves one spot.
All this means it IS between ourselves and indeed Georgia but also Slovenia and Macedonia looking at the seeds above.Obviously WIT are the low seed in Georgia and we are cheering them on.

Slovenia looks like a 2 horse race - I've seen Maribors name quite a bit in previous draws so I'd say they could be 2.032 from the co-effs above so if they win we are ****ed.
NK Maribor 28 14 11 3 53 34 +19 53
NK Celje 28 13 8 7 40 27 +13 47

Macedonia 3 , probably over
FK Makedonija Gjorce Petrov 22 14 6 2 40 11 +29 48
FK Renova Dzepciste 22 11 8 3 29 20 +9 41
FK Milano Kumanovo 22 12 4 6 35 24 +11 40

Scian any chance of posting the link for the team coefficients so we know who we are shouting for in Slovenia and Macedonia.

We could still have a chance! Although in a way I quite fancy being unseeded, better chance of not ending up in the arsehole of no where for the jolly.

I've way too much time on my hands.

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Here are the coefficients of what's left from Kassies and he is usually bang on.Forget about Macedonia because the only team above us in the co-eff (Skopje ) can't win the league there.
We know about WIT and Dinamo.
Slovenia is where we will lose the seeding - their top co-eff Domzale are good as gone.Gorica too, that means Maribor are ahead of us and are top of their league.
So for us to be seeded we need WIT to win the Georgian League,Celje(6 points behind) to overtake Maribor in Slovenia and Arsenal to make sure they come in the top 4 in case they win the CL. A long shot.

Added Pats,Shels and Derrys co-eff - if we had got into Europe proper under Farrelly and Connor we probably wouldn't be pinning are hopes on some Slovenian team to get a decent run in Europe.

194 NK Domzale Slo 3.816
197 Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 3.332
200 St. Patrick's Athletic Irl 2.899
Derry City Irl 2.899
Shelbourne Irl 2.899
204 Nova Gorica Slo 2.816
NK Maribor Slo 2.816
207 Rabotnicki Skopje Mac 2.032
Ireland 1.899 Bohs
Slovenia 1.816 any other
Georgia 1.332 any other
Macedonia 1.032 any other
30/04/2009, 2:20 PM
Dodge

For the record, we got a point for drawing with Hertha, Derry got a point for Drawing with PSG and Shels got a point for drawing with Nantes (all in UEFA Cup 1st round). You didn't get any individual points for qualifiers in UEFA Cup or Champions League

Thanks for info Sk Stu
30/04/2009, 3:13 PM
SPXcyan

Shels played Lille not nantes :)
01/05/2009, 3:45 PM
Umberside

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Originally Posted by SPXcyan

Shels played Lille not nantes :)

It was us who played Nantes.
01/05/2009, 5:49 PM
HarpoJoyce

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Originally Posted by Dodge

That would've been the case had Derry won the Cup, but Cup Runners Up (LC) are treated as the lowest qualifier, and as Derry ae already N3, they take that spot instead (being higher than LC)

For a team lke Falkirk, if they win the Scottish cup they'd enter in the 4th QR, but if they lose the Scottish Cup final they'd enter in the 2nd QR (same as Pats)

As I've said its been confirmed to Pats that we're entering in QR2

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Where did he get those figures from? Look at Bert's page. According to him the very best Bohs could do is be the top unseeded team

Thanks for returning to your owriginal scource and posting here. For sure, I think you made with a joke about Derry City (LC) being less then the Cup Winners.
It's also funny when someone quotes Bert Kassies but asks another person where they got their info. from.
The Bert/Our Bert/Bertie Boy/The Bertmeister is never questioned by these people. I prefer source information.

While the there are only three ties in the CL qual. 1st rd it maybe enough to push Bohemian under the seeding line. However regarding any of the unseeded teams who beat a seed, those teams inherit the higher co-efficient and the continuance of their European journey is guaranteed as the losers of 3rd qualifying round go into the Europa League.
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl...id=788373.html
"� The losing team from each of the UEFA Champions League third qualifying round ties will go into the UEFA Europa League play-offs.

� The losing team from each of the UEFA Champions League play-off ties will go into the UEFA Europa League group stage."

League of Ireland Race for Group Stage of the (Uefa) Europa League.
03/05/2009, 8:38 PM
irishultra

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

hope UEFA do regionalise the draw, could potentially bankrupt a club if you have to play for chartered flights,which cost up to �2k each, as far as Kazakhstan/Moldova

How do/did they split up the zones?

I presume its Ireland/France/Wales/England/Scotland/Northern Ireland or is it more general than that?
03/05/2009, 10:07 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by irishultra

How do/did they split up the zones?

I presume its Ireland/France/Wales/England/Scotland/Northern Ireland or is it more general than that?

in the firs qualifying round afaik its Ireland,NI, Wales, Faroes, Iceland, and whoever is the west side of Europe, kind of thing.
03/05/2009, 10:14 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

in the firs qualifying round afaik its Ireland,NI, Wales, Faroes, Iceland, and whoever is the west side of Europe, kind of thing.

We'd be in the northern region of Europe: Northern Ireland, Wales, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania
03/05/2009, 10:17 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by sligoman

We'd be in the northern region of Europe: Northern Ireland, Wales, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania

are you sure they would include the last two??
03/05/2009, 10:18 PM
LeixlipRed

Yes. Note Shels and many other clubs been drawn against Lithuanian and Latvian clubs in the last few years.
03/05/2009, 10:25 PM
irishultra

Oh so by the time England and France get involved the regional thing goes out the window yeah?

I've always wondered how Kazackstan and the likes are even are members of Uefa? Lol.

I love Europe time though with the LOI, last year I remember screaming at the radio when Drogheda scored against Levadia Tallin and Corks attempts to bridge back being 2 goals down to Haka. :D
04/05/2009, 12:49 AM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Schumi

What's the point of gaining coefficient points if not to get a bye through the first qualifying round?

Country ranking and ranking within country (champion, CW, 2nd, 3rd) determines what round you enter at, club coefficient determines your ranking within that round (ie seeded or unseeded).

Based on recent experience, regionalization is more important than being seeded. However good an EL team is, they are up against it going to places like Kazakhstan and Armenia in July.

Whilst Derry were having an annus horriblis in 2006 having just replaced the rat with the drunk, even on top form they would've struggled as it was 47 degrees at kick off.

Fingers crossed for regionalization. But Bert is rarely wrong and he's listing an open draw.
05/05/2009, 1:45 PM
OneRedArmy

UEFA have just released new competition rules for CL & EL. Sorry, can't paste link on the iPhone. Pats in QR2, Derry and Sligwegians in QR1 as expected. However, we were only one country ranking spot off Derry getting directly into QR2. Damn those Moldovans....

Can't find anything on regionalisation of EL, yet.
05/05/2009, 1:55 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

UEFA have just released new competition rules for CL & EL. Sorry, can't paste link on the iPhone. Pats in QR2, Derry and Sligwegians in QR1 as expected. However, we were only one country ranking spot off Derry getting directly into QR2. Damn those Moldovans....

If you think you hate them, try being a Pats fan :(

Here's the link to the the PDF file
http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/...0_download.pdf
05/05/2009, 2:17 PM
MariborKev

"Article 9:Group formations
9.01 For the qualifying phase and the play-off draws, the UEFA administration
may form groups, in accordance with the principles set by the Club
Competitions Committee."

Sounds like there could be regionalisations.......

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