Crowd trouble at NI v Poland

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29/03/2009, 7:49 AM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

I know a few people who go to matches regulary, Artur played like a sh!t 'Keeper. How can they express that sentiment without cracking their hole laughing? Please provide a PC response?

It was on the agenda before any football was actually played. See Warren Feeney's comments.
29/03/2009, 11:07 AM
sligobhoy67

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

It was on the agenda before any football was actually played. See Warren Feeney's comments.

Well said

1. Feeney's comments whipped up fevor.

2. "Death Threat" towards Boruc was distgusting and set the tone again - could have been kids but that is a poor excuse.

3. BBC report that a pub was destroyed - I understand that Polish fans could have started but that NI fans were also involved.

4. NI fans were involved and were rioting elsewhere when they clashed with Polish fans and the police.

5. At the game itself NI fans booed the Polish national anthem.

6. NI fans booed Boruc and sung songs at him from first touch to the last - nothing wrong with that per se but again it underpinned the nasty undertone.

7. Coin thrown at the lineman from the NI section.

8. NI sing the "famine song" - possibly one of the most ignorant and disgusting songs ever chanted on football terraces. I dont speak Polish so would welcome any input from those that do.

9. Commentators were complicite and biased - glossed over any chanting, the coin been thrown "I am sure the NI fans will sort it out themselves" and seemed to excuse the booing of Boruc and explain is as him being controvertial.

10. Homes occupied Polish residents were then attack in "racially motivated" incidents.

Now Polish fans have a name for trouble but there wasnt trouble when the played Ireland and I am sure they started some of this but that doesnt explain the widespread disruption from NI fans both inside and outside the ground.

I just wait for Gregory Campbell to come forward and excuse all this and lay the blame at the feet of Celtic fans! :rolleyes:
29/03/2009, 12:04 PM
awec

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Originally Posted by sligobhoy67

Well said

1. Feeney's comments whipped up fevor.

2. "Death Threat" towards Boruc was distgusting and set the tone again - could have been kids but that is a poor excuse.

3. BBC report that a pub was destroyed - I understand that Polish fans could have started but that NI fans were also involved.

4. NI fans were involved and were rioting elsewhere when they clashed with Polish fans and the police.

4. At the game itself NI fans booed the Polish national anthem.

5. NI fans booed Boruc and sung songs at him from first touch to the last - nothing wrong with that per se but again it underpinned the nasty undertone.

5. Coin thrown at the lineman from the NI section.

6. NI sing the "famine song" - possibly one of the most ignorant and disgusting songs ever chanted on football terraces. I dont speak Polish so would welcome any input from those that do.

8. Commentators were complicite and biased - glossed over any chanting, the coin been thrown "I am sure the NI fans will sort it out themselves" and seemed to excuse the booing of Boruc and explain is as him being controvertial.

7. Homes occupied Polish residents were then attack in "racially motivated" incidents.

Now Polish fans have a name for trouble but there wasnt trouble when the played Ireland and I am sure they started some of this but that doesnt explain the widespread disruption from NI fans both inside and outside the ground.

I just wait for Gregory Campbell to come forward and excuse all this and lay the blame at the feet of Celtic fans! :rolleyes:

1. Feenys comments were daft. Granted.

2. Death threat. Sensationalist media.

3. Polish fans destroyed the pub. CCTV confirms it.

4. Disappointing but not surprising.

5. Yes, we sang songs at Boruc. Nothing sectarian. So what? Nothing wrong there.

6. The famine song? Catch a grip. There was NO mention of any famines.

7. Again, disappointing. The guys starting the trouble after the game were not at the game.
29/03/2009, 12:53 PM
sligobhoy67

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Originally Posted by awec

1. Feenys comments were daft. Granted.

2. Death threat. Sensationalist media.

3. Polish fans destroyed the pub. CCTV confirms it.

4. Disappointing but not surprising.

5. Yes, we sang songs at Boruc. Nothing sectarian. So what? Nothing wrong there.

6. The famine song? Catch a grip. There was NO mention of any famines.

7. Again, disappointing. The guys starting the trouble after the game were not at the game.

Seriously I cant believe you are even trying to defend this!

Feeneys comments could have aided in inciting some of this they were moronic - as was the actions of the person who "daubed" the "death threat"

I dont doubt the Polish fans were the agressor at the pub but the manager of the pub said both sets of fans were involved.

Why not surprising?

As for the Famine song - I definately heard a song sung to the same tune of "the famine song" - did they change the words slightly?
29/03/2009, 1:21 PM
awec

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Originally Posted by sligobhoy67

Seriously I cant believe you are even trying to defend this!

Feeneys comments could have aided in inciting some of this they were moronic - as was the actions of the person who "daubed" the "death threat"

I dont doubt the Polish fans were the agressor at the pub but the manager of the pub said both sets of fans were involved.

Why not surprising?

As for the Famine song - I definately heard a song sung to the same tune of "the famine song" - did they change the words slightly?

There are songs sung to the same tune that do mention going home, but none of them involve any famines.

The match is over, why don't you go home etc etc.

I'm not defending Feeney's comments by the way, I think he went too far and a lot of NI fans were annoyed at us being compared to a mini-Ibrox (contrary to popular belief, we aren't the Green Rangers).

It was good to see on Radio 5 Live last night that a polish guy living in England phoned in and said he wasn't surprised at all. The polish are renowned for this, especially when so many of them live here.

The PSNI could have handled it better by showing themselves a bit more. Proactive rather than reactive, so to speak. If they'd just been present at the major areas where fans gather a lot could have been avoided.
29/03/2009, 1:37 PM
sligobhoy67

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Originally Posted by awec

There are songs sung to the same tune that do mention going home, but none of them involve any famines.

The match is over, why don't you go home etc etc.

I'm not defending Feeney's comments by the way, I think he went too far and a lot of NI fans were annoyed at us being compared to a mini-Ibrox (contrary to popular belief, we aren't the Green Rangers).

It was good to see on Radio 5 Live last night that a polish guy living in England phoned in and said he wasn't surprised at all. The polish are renowned for this, especially when so many of them live here.

The PSNI could have handled it better by showing themselves a bit more. Proactive rather than reactive, so to speak. If they'd just been present at the major areas where fans gather a lot could have been avoided.

Mimmicking rangers songs doesnt help erase the reputation of it being "mini Ibrox" or targetting a Celtic goalkeeper.

I found the behaviour of the NI fans disgusting tbh.
29/03/2009, 3:24 PM
Gather round

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Originally Posted by celticV3

This was always going to happen. So much hype and hate being boiled up before this game that it was inevitable

It's unfortunate and to be condemned but hardly inevitable. There's hyperbole around most or all international football, but this was the first instance of serious trouble at a NI game for many years.

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Originally Posted by irishultra

funny there was no trouble here back in november...odd

I'm glad there was no trouble (in Dublin), not sure why that is funny (peculiar)?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Would McCourt or mcGinn have been booed if they played? Can't think of any other reason NI fans would boo Boruc

Both played in recent NI games (against SMR and Hungary) respectively. Neither was booed. Possibly because they weren't playing for the opposition?

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Originally Posted by irishultra

yeah it seems a bit stupid to boo a player playing in some random scottish team

I'd agree pantomime booing is a bit childish. Seems to have had the desired on-field effect, eh? It was the Polish international side btw, although agreed communication between back four and keeper was random throughout.

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Originally Posted by Red&White Rover

He would on his ****e...I suppose he'd also get the death threats too?

I find all this talk of death threats very depressing. Even when clearly intended as a wind-up by morons

http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/worl...poland-12.html
29/03/2009, 3:28 PM
irishultra

they said 'theres no jobs in ulster, why don't ya go home' bit ironic coming from scottish plantators.
29/03/2009, 3:47 PM
Gather round

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Complete Rubbish BTW. I watch a fair bit of NI games and no keeper got anywhere near the abuse Boruc did

I watch almost all NI games and Boruc got more abuse than most opposition players. Mainly because he does seem to revel in his Old Firm cartoon villain image. He also got ridicule for having a complete nightmare. At fault for all three goals, beaten in the air by a man half his size, letting in one that would have been embarrassing in a primary school game.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

It was on the agenda before any football was actually played. See Warren Feeney's comments

Gormless comments by Feeney (and a complete change from his normal "obviously as I say") routine. I very much doubt the local hooligans- let alone the fighting Poles- are much interested in what wee Warren says.

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Originally Posted by sligobhoy67

Well said

It is very depressing that numerous fans from both countries came determined on aggro. I don't downplay that we have a problem with security and prejudice against the Polish community generally.

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At the game itself NI fans booed the Polish national anthem

A shame, and childish, but in the scheme of things not that big a deal. NI's anthem gets barracked every time we play Scotland and Wales.

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NI fans booed Boruc and sung songs at him from first touch to the last - nothing wrong with that per se but again it underpinned the nasty undertone

Make your mind up- either it's wrong or it isn't. If it isn't, why mention it?

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NI sing the "famine song" - possibly one of the most ignorant and disgusting songs ever chanted on football terraces. I dont speak Polish so would welcome any input from those that do

Or possibly not. 'Sloop John B' is just in response to 'Fields of Athenry' at Old Firm games. Childish again, and not nice, but you can't seriously claim it's worse than all the paramilitary stuff we've heard from RangTic and CeltGers fans down the years.

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Commentators were complicite and biased - glossed over any chanting, the coin been thrown "I am sure the NI fans will sort it out themselves" and seemed to excuse the booing of Boruc and explain is as him being controvertial

Don't be such a baby. They're Sky TV commentators- of course they'll be biased to the home nation. They weren't complicit in anything, their pointing out that fans around the culprit would point him out was reasonable enough, and they ridiculed Roly Poly because his performance was so bad. Why do they need to take sides in some childish Glaswegian squabble?

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Now Polish fans have a name for trouble but there wasnt trouble when the played Ireland and I am sure they started some of this but that doesnt explain the widespread disruption from NI fans both inside and outside the ground

If I was you, I'd be relieved that there wasn't any trouble at the Poland game in Dublin, since as you say the Poles' reputation precedes them. But I wouldn't sneer- after all, anti-foreign riots in Dublin city centre, and football matches being abandoned are hardly unknown.

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I just wait for Gregory Campbell to come forward and excuse all this and lay the blame at the feet of Celtic fans! :rolleyes:

Ha ha. Is there no end to your persecution mania?
29/03/2009, 3:53 PM
sligobhoy67

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Originally Posted by Gather round

I watch almost all NI games and Boruc got more abuse than most opposition players. Mainly because he does seem to revel in his Old Firm cartoon villain image. He also got ridicule for having a complete nightmare. At fault for all three goals, beaten in the air by a man half his size, letting in one that would have been embarrassing in a primary school game.

without wanting to focus this thread too much on Boruc, but prior to the game or a goal being scored Boruc was getting booed. Why? What has the Old Firm got to do with NI fans? I thought it wasnt "mini Ibrox"

The booing of Boruc was the least of worries that the IFA/UEFA have to consider after yesterdays events. I havent seen one NI fan and say they were disgusted by the actions yesterday - all I have seen is excuses and blame shifting.

If RoI fans acted like that I would be disgusted. It was indefensible.
29/03/2009, 3:54 PM
awec

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Originally Posted by Gather round

http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/worl...poland-12.html

Oh man. :D:D

Some of those comments are a bit.. risque. :D
29/03/2009, 3:56 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Gather round

I watch almost all NI games and Boruc got more abuse than most opposition players. Mainly because he does seem to revel in his Old Firm cartoon villain image.

That was my point. He got abused because he playes for Celtic. its pathetic 9and for the record it was equalling pathetic when the lansdowne Road crowd booed Rangers players)

If anything, the poles had every right to boo him :D
29/03/2009, 4:00 PM
awec

As for songs sung at Boruc, he got this all night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMnkAYjOUo
29/03/2009, 4:02 PM
sligobhoy67

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Originally Posted by awec

Oh man. :D:D

Some of those comments are a bit.. risque. :D

they are ht about one thing - the commentators were a joke.
29/03/2009, 4:17 PM
Stuttgart88

Did Boruc get booed just because he plays for Celtic or because he plays for Celtic and he's a provocative idiot who seems to revel in being controversial in a sectarian environment? I think it's a bit PC of us ROI fans to expect him not to be singled out, not saying anything of the night's other incidents.

Boruc has become a total gimp of a keeper these days. 2 years ago I'd have said he was among the better keepers in Europe - indeed he even had a great Euro 2008 tournament - but he looks out of condition and out of form now. He's easily a stone overweight for a pro sportsman.
29/03/2009, 4:23 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by Gather round

But I wouldn't sneer- after all, anti-foreign riots in Dublin city centre, and football matches being abandoned are hardly unknown

Yeah, we really wound up those neo-nazi combat 18 types alright. The cheek of us, scoring a goal like that, and being Irish.
29/03/2009, 4:24 PM
awec

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Originally Posted by sligobhoy67

they are ht about one thing - the commentators were a joke.

Was at the game so didn't hear the commentary. Was it Jackie Fullerton? If so, he's a pish commentator, not a fan of his at all.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Did Boruc get booed just because he plays for Celtic or because he plays for Celtic and he's a provocative idiot who seems to revel in being controversial in a sectarian environment? I think it's a bit PC of us ROI fans to expect him not to be singled out, not saying anything of the night's other incidents.

Boruc has become a total gimp of a keeper these days. 2 years ago I'd have said he was among the better keepers in Europe - indeed he even had a great Euro 2008 tournament - but he looks out of condition and out of form now. He's easily a stone overweight for a pro sportsman.

Boruc needs to sort out his personal life. Am I right in thinking that his problems at home coincided with his sudden drop in form?

He is undoubtedly a quality keeper on his day, but he isn't having many good days at the moment.

As for him revelling in controversy, I do believe at the start of the second half, he turned round and crossed himself in front of the Kop. Doesn't bother me, I don't care for religion. But it didn't make his life any easier as it just made our fans sing louder and made us want to win even more.

He's a high profile keeper playing for a high profile club. High profile keepers get more abuse than others at Windsor, that's a footballing fact. He did NOT, at any point, get any sectarian abuse.
29/03/2009, 4:25 PM
Gather round

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Originally Posted by sligobhoy67

without wanting to focus this thread too much on Boruc, but prior to the game or a goal being scored Boruc was getting booed. Why? What has the Old Firm got to do with NI fans? I thought it wasnt "mini Ibrox"

Agreed the probem isn't Boruc, but the fighting before and after the match.

Don't play dumb. Boruc got stick from NI fans, many (but not all) of whom support Rangers, because he plays on his Old Firm cartoon image as I mentioned.

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The booing of Boruc was the least of worries that the IFA/UEFA have to consider after yesterdays events. I havent seen one NI fan and say they were disgusted by the actions yesterday - all I have seen is excuses and blame shifting

The IFA, Polish FA and UEFA can ignore Artur's antics and the response to them. I condemn all violence by fans and am saddened by it.

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If RoI fans acted like that I would be disgusted. It was indefensible.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

That was my point. He got abused because he playes for Celtic. its pathetic 9and for the record it was equalling pathetic when the lansdowne Road crowd booed Rangers players)

If anything, the poles had every right to boo him :D

Er...not quite the same point. He got such stick because of the comedy villainy, although I'm not naive enough to think a lower-profile Celtic guy in the Polish side wouldn't have got some abuse from the stands.

They are booing him. Even if you don't know any Polish, try reading gazeta.pl (their broadsheet equivalent of Irish Times). 'Koniec' means 'finish(ed)'...

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Yeah, we really wound up those neo-nazi combat 18 types alright. The cheek of us, scoring a goal like that, and being Irish

Heh. Now don't be sarky. I think you get the point. Violence by the NI and Poland fans is to be condemned, but let's not get snooty and pretend it can't happen here.
29/03/2009, 4:26 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by awec

7 I do believe at the start of the second half, he turned round and crossed himself in front of the Kop. Doesn't bother me, I don't care for religion. But it didn't make his life any easier as it just made our fans sing louder... He did NOT, at any point, get any sectarian abuse.

Hmmmmm
29/03/2009, 4:37 PM
awec

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Hmmmmm

Hmm indeed. There was NOTHING sectarian shouted at Boruc.

Boruc you're a w**ker, and the video I posted, is the height of it.

Got the occasional "Boruc, give us a wave", but other than it, nothing.

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