Why are Derry in the eL?

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12/02/2006, 10:00 PM
Dassa

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Originally Posted by brandy86

Have they IFA moved on? For years they refused entry to the League to Donegal Celtic and Lurgan Celtic. They were by-passed for inferior teams, and were only allowed entry to the IL on the week they were to go court over it. Why, was it because they also were nationalist teams.

Just started reading this piece today on DCFC exit from the IL as a young IL fan cant remember that far back into what happened, but is a very good piece. But on the point I highlighted it was not only these teams that were denied access to the IL. My own team Loughgall won the league three years in a row and were prevented from stepping up to the IL 1st division with other teams promoted ahead of us and little reasons given. My team were not what you would call a nationalist supported team so I am just trying to show that exclusion from the IL was not just something that happened to these "nationalist sides".
12/02/2006, 11:03 PM
Anto McC

I said it before about Derry and i'll say it again.............Talk about over staying your welcome.

Derry are squatters and no more :D
12/02/2006, 11:49 PM
Speranza

My god Anto should you really not be in bed, it's a schoolday tomorrow.

$hels are trying to get their greasy mits on the home of Irish soccer and City are the squatters. To reverse your own thinking - jealous? bitter? :confused:
13/02/2006, 12:14 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Rocky

Just like to know. Why do Cliftonville and Newry not have so many problems in the IL? Surely they should also join the EL?

NEWRY
Newry Town (now City) didn't join the Irish League until well after the worst of the Troubles (I think they joined in the mid 90's ?). Anyways - Newry was never an epi-centre of the Troubles anyway, so even if they had been around at that time, it's unlikely anything would've happened to put them in a questionable spot re the IL.

CLIFTONVILLE
Cliftonville did suffer the odd unfair treatment at the hands of the IL/IFA. They were forced to play all 'home' games against Linfield at Windsor Park until very recently - even years after everyone outside of the Irish League had agreed that there was no justifiable security reason for forcing them to do so. This ban was only lifted c.5 years ago. And there was never an incident that the IFA/IL was willing/able to latch onto to punish Cliftonville, if they so desired.

As there are plenty of Irish League grounds in Belfast, Cliftonville beign forced to play home games away form Solitude was never going to pose them problems. Conversely, with Derry's nearest league ground at the time being 40 miles away in Coleraine, we were never going to be able to survive any ban on our home ground.

BELFAST CELTIC
Belfast Celtic faced wel-publcised problems with the IFA/IL in regards to equity of treatment, which was the ostensible reason given for their withdrawal form the league in 1948.

DONEGAL CELTIC & LURGAN CELTIC
Donegal Celtic encountered a series of problems with the IFA/IL prior to their finally joining the league - particularly blatantly unbalanced treatment in relation to crowd-violence at a Cup game they had against Linfield in Windsor the late 1980's, that led to them publically stating that they would never enter the Irish Cup again. For the record - that game also saw the outrageous crowd-control tactic from the RUC of firing plastic bullets into a crowded football stand (though interestingly, only at the Donegal Celtic fans...). Donegal Celtic and Lurgan Celtic also made numerous requests to join the Irish league that were continually rejected. Eventually, with court action threatened, both were finally allowed entry for the 2002/3 season.
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To correct one very important error in Dortie's first post on this thread - the Ballymena team bus that was hijacked and burnt outside the Brandywell in 1972 was NOT done so by supporters. It happened in the middle of the game by local hoods who came into the car park to the side of the Stadium (a few minutes walk from the stadium-proper itself). All the supporters were inside watching the game ! This is a crucial point - the act was indicative of the time as Northen Ireland lurched to the edge of Civil War. It most certainly was not an act of hooliganism by Derry City suppoprters
13/02/2006, 12:16 AM
sfc red

Shels...supporters renowned for being young...

BRAVO Speranza, EXCELLENT joke. Pity you made yourself look juvenile with such a STUPID STUPID comment. No other word for it.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahha.

Its funny how its always the idiots that post on forums and not the decent people you actually end up meeting at these grounds. Talk about giving your supporters a bad name.
13/02/2006, 12:28 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by sfc red

Shels...supporters renowned for being young...

BRAVO Speranza, EXCELLENT joke. Pity you made yourself look juvenile with such a STUPID STUPID comment. No other word for it.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahha.

Its funny how its always the idiots that post on forums and not the decent people you actually end up meeting at these grounds. Talk about giving your supporters a bad name.

To be fair SFC Red - that's one of the lamest retorts I've ever read on here.... :eek:
13/02/2006, 1:47 AM
Dassa

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

DONEGAL CELTIC & LURGAN CELTIC
Donegal Celtic and Lurgan Celtic also made numerous requests to join the Irish league that were continually rejected.

as mentioned before by me Loughgall the club i support also applied year in year out to gain access and were refused and we werent a nationalist club so would that decision also be based on religion?. And we were in a much better situation than the 2 celtics which im delighted to see in IL1 and 2 respectively.
13/02/2006, 11:00 AM
NY Hoop

[QUOTE=dcfcsteve
[B]CLIFTONVILLE[/B]
Cliftonville did suffer the odd unfair treatment at the hands of the IL/IFA. They were forced to play all 'home' games against Linfield at Windsor Park until very recently - even years after everyone outside of the Irish League had agreed that there was no justifiable security reason for forcing them to do so. This ban was only lifted c.5 years ago.

That stupid ban was finally lifted the season Climville were Champions and the first game back in Solitude was a 1-1 draw played in November 1998.

The day they won the league they played their game an hour before the rest of the fixtures for some unexplained reason.

Bizarre that this thread is back again after more than 2 years..........

KOH
13/02/2006, 11:11 AM
Dassa

yeah it was me who brought it back. was the first time I had read the posts and thought it was pretty good. good to hear a DCFC perspective on what had happened.
13/02/2006, 11:47 AM
NY Hoop

No worries.

Great result sat! BTW is there a bar in your ground?

KOH
13/02/2006, 12:38 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Dassa

as mentioned before by me Loughgall the club i support also applied year in year out to gain access and were refused and we werent a nationalist club so would that decision also be based on religion?. And we were in a much better situation than the 2 celtics which im delighted to see in IL1 and 2 respectively.

You're right Dassa. However - a refusal to let Loughall into the league appears to have been a single-issue approach regarding that club.

Decisions were made regarding Donegal Celtic on more than just the league membership issue, and they seemed to follow more of an overall trend - one which, when viewed in the context of the IFA/IL approach towards other supposedly 'nationalist' clubs over many decades, makes it easy to suspect non-footballing considerations may have been at play.
13/02/2006, 1:09 PM
Dassa

take your point dcfcsteve but the issues against loughgall whatever they were and someone knows why were not football related either. was just trying to show those not to well aware of IL that injustices dont just happen against "nationalist" clubs. hate labelling a football club with a political slant so sorry about term "nationalist".

Yeah loughgall do have a bar. the ground is pretty good actually for the size of village that we have. and Im sure it will be rammed tomorrow night. there will be alot of lonely women left at home on valentines night:)

heres a link to show you what the clubs like NY Hoop
http://www.loughgallfc.org/
13/02/2006, 4:18 PM
Anto McC

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Originally Posted by Speranza

My god Anto should you really not be in bed, it's a schoolday tomorrow.

$hels are trying to get their greasy mits on the home of Irish soccer and City are the squatters. To reverse your own thinking - jealous? bitter? :confused:

I finished my full schooling roughly 6 years ago so no!

I personally DO NOT EVER want to move to Daylier,if the clubs goes i will follow them though,now go back where you came from
13/02/2006, 7:28 PM
Aaron

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I said it before about Derry and i'll say it again.............Talk about over staying your welcome.

Derry are squatters and no more

MUPPET!:mad:
13/02/2006, 11:18 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Anto McC

now go back where you came from

We`re still playing at the Brandywell, where we always have done.

Why don`t you try going back where you came from? After all you seem to gain 20k fans when you play in Dublin 4....
14/02/2006, 9:31 AM
CuanaD

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Originally Posted by Dassa

Im sure it will be rammed tomorrow night. there will be alot of lonely women left at home on valentines night:)

:D :lol: only right too - football's more important! ;)

Good website that is too
14/02/2006, 10:16 AM
Dassa

Doubt they will see it that way.
14/02/2006, 5:56 PM
Anto McC

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

We`re still playing at the Brandywell, where we always have done.

Why don`t you try going back where you came from? After all you seem to gain 20k fans when you play in Dublin 4....

Thats true but in a different league as you well know!

Im happy with that i live 10 minutes away from there but it looks like Daylier which i am 15 minutes away from so either way im good :)
14/02/2006, 7:23 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Anto McC

Thats true but in a different league as you well know!

Well Anto - given that, as with the vast majority of Shels fans, you're probably under the age of 30 (nay 25), I'll give you a clearly much-needed wee history lesson about your very own football club.

I think you'll find that Shelbourne ALSO played in the Irish League - until 1921, when you left to join/help form the Football League of Ireland. Just like Derry City played in the Irish League, and then joined/helped to form the Football league of Ireland First Division in 1985.

So both our teams started life in the Irish League, and both are now in the Eircom league. How lovely. All of which is frankly irrelevant - except in making your posts look rather stupid.... :D

"Oi Shels - feck off back to the Irish league where you belong....!" :D
15/02/2006, 1:17 PM
BohDiddley

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

"Oi Shels - feck off back to the Irish league where you belong....!" :D

And to Ringsend while you're at it! :D

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