Whats goin on in our club????????

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

did you not read what i said about having 2 payments to the players over the course of the season, we have NO MONEY at all,creditors screaming for money aswell as the taxman and BTW talks have happened over money as the committee have said there will be a playing budget hence the cuts in the bar as the staff were told there will be a playing budget. That is a FACT not a rumour or heresay but a certified FACT

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Well did you not understand what I was saying, if you do not pay the players you will not get experance players to play with Cobh only last years A league players, under 18s and un 17's.
Then when you keep loosing your games you will get supporters not going to games no money through the gates, no money to pay your creditors or revenue.
At least if you pay players enough to keep the experance within the team, with ur Aleague, youths ect players getting the expereance, then you can change how you pay the players.
If you read what Luka wrote only 8 players at traning last night find out how many of last years players who played week in week out were there.
Now ask yourself the question where are you going to get players to play with Cobh for little or nothing then expect supporters to go to the games while loosing.
That is a FACT ...
you can come back and tell me all or most of last years regular players will play for nil payment I will put my hands up and say sorry.

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Originally Posted by the sub

Well did you not understand what I was saying, if you do not pay the players you will not get experance players to play with Cobh only last years A league players, under 18s and un 17's.
Then when you keep loosing your games you will get supporters not going to games no money through the gates, no money to pay your creditors or revenue.
At least if you pay players enough to keep the experance within the team, with ur Aleague, youths ect players getting the expereance, then you can change how you pay the players.
If you read what Luka wrote only 8 players at traning last night find out how many of last years players who played week in week out were there.
Now ask yourself the question where are you going to get players to play with Cobh for little or nothing then expect supporters to go to the games while loosing.
That is a FACT ...
you can come back and tell me all or most of last years regular players will play for nil payment I will put my hands up and say sorry.

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WE HAVE NO MONEY, EARTH TO THE SUB, WE HAVE NO MONEY.

I said earlier that we could pay them twice in the year but if they wont do it f**k them, club is more important

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

WE HAVE NO MONEY, EARTH TO THE SUB, WE HAVE NO MONEY.

I said earlier that we could pay them twice in the year but if they wont do it f**k them, club is more important

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Couldnt have said it better myself the club is what matters not a group of pre madonnas. There will be players who will play for nothing

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

WE HAVE NO MONEY, EARTH TO THE SUB, WE HAVE NO MONEY.

I said earlier that we could pay them twice in the year but if they wont do it f**k them, club is more important

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whos fault is that mine, Im hearing the same thing for the last 8 months and you did nothing about it,
And I will repeat myself again did Cork City, Athlone, Dorgs Galway, and Limerick not long ago got on with what they had to do as a team SAVED THEIR CLUB.
So you can be smart trying to say I might be thick from your smart ass reply, but if every club and even business buried their heads in the sand and wait for the knock on the door, and tehn say sorry, ''it was not my fault'', I knew months ago but did nothing about it next everything is gone.
That is what I have been saying and I will keep saying it weather you like to hear it or not and that is a FACT.
You were hoping the FAI to bail you out which did not happen because I think they seen and heard all the back all the negitives that came out of Cobh, plus saw no one trying to organise a group to save the club and saw as a bad investment.

Having observed this forum for the past couple of months,and watched ramblers on and off over the Past thirty years. It is time for everyone at this great family oriented club to start pulling together and focus on the survival of football at St Colemans Park. Pc plod is right what matters is not EGO's But THE CLUB and the survival of league of Ireland football at St Colemans Park.

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Originally Posted by pcplod

Couldnt have said it better myself the club is what matters not a group of pre madonnas. There will be players who will play for nothing

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The pot calling the kettle black, were you one of the main people trying to topple the Chairman and spread negative comments for all to see.
Would not support the club or back the votes at egm, now all of a sudden trying to cury favor with the main thread supporters of the club.
At least the other thread writers might not agree in what I say but at least they are the true supporters of Cobh Ramblers. As I said if I'm wrong I will say sorry have you?

Would the real 'pcplod' please step forward :eek:

I dont belive there are many players who will play for nothing and as was said earlyier if the team are getting beaten every week no one will go to see them. In the current climate no one is going to pay 10-15 euro to go and see a team beaten.

I am wondering what people meany by the club is more important then paying players. If you cant bring people through the gate the club may as well not be there.

I think some kind of budget can be scraped togther for the players of 1500 to 2000 a week I know people will say there is no money but you have to spend a little to accumalate and I belive if there were tight controls in the club this could be found.

It would take someone with a good brain and attention to detail and great negotiating skills with suppliers sponsers etc.

Barack Obama springs to mind!! 800 billion would do it!!

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Originally Posted by the sub

whos fault is that mine, Im hearing the same thing for the last 8 months and you did nothing about it,
And I will repeat myself again did Cork City, Athlone, Dorgs Galway, and Limerick not long ago got on with what they had to do as a team SAVED THEIR CLUB.
So you can be smart trying to say I might be thick from your smart ass reply, but if every club and even business buried their heads in the sand and wait for the knock on the door, and tehn say sorry, ''it was not my fault'', I knew months ago but did nothing about it next everything is gone.
That is what I have been saying and I will keep saying it weather you like to hear it or not and that is a FACT.
You were hoping the FAI to bail you out which did not happen because I think they seen and heard all the back all the negitives that came out of Cobh, plus saw no one trying to organise a group to save the club and saw as a bad investment.

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people will not fundraise or help out while the current regime remains at the top table - FACT - it might not be right but its unfortunately true, reasons for this are aplenty. one big example would be the sunderland sub committee, a group of individuals who by all accounts to a man/woman bust their balls for the club and ended up being s**t upon by all accounts by the main committee and also by certain members.
Wasnt being a smartarse but we dont have a pot to p**s in and the current economic climate it will be nearly impossible to raise money.

1 last question that you dont seem to be asking is, what have the committee since the season ended?

Sub I think you are greatly mistaken in your comments towards me and if you look back through my posts you will see that I am one of the people who have defended our Chairman week in and week out and I have always said that there is noone out there who can do his job better. I firmly believed this for a long time but I am know holding my hand up and saying that my opinion has now changed I believe our club has come as far as possible under this commitee and that it is time for change. I know people will be lining up to say I told you so and fair enough I am willing to take the snide remarks the main thing now is that We Save Our Club and that is getting harder and harder to do while this commitee are in charge. So sub I will wait for your appology and all the I told you so's:ball:

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Originally Posted by luka

Would the real 'pcplod' please step forward :eek:

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WTF are you on about

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Originally Posted by ramblers

I dont belive there are many players who will play for nothing and as was said earlyier if the team are getting beaten every week no one will go to see them. In the current climate no one is going to pay 10-15 euro to go and see a team beaten.

I am wondering what people meany by the club is more important then paying players. If you cant bring people through the gate the club may as well not be there.

I think some kind of budget can be scraped togther for the players of 1500 to 2000 a week I know people will say there is no money but you have to spend a little to accumalate and I belive if there were tight controls in the club this could be found.

It would take someone with a good brain and attention to detail and great negotiating skills with suppliers sponsers etc.

Barack Obama springs to mind!! 800 billion would do it!!

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While I dont agree with paying the players I do see your point and fair enough but I do think that the current committee have no credibilty left and to negotiate this deal if it were possible we will need new people at the helm

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Originally Posted by pcplod

WTF are you on about

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I thought it would be a simple enough one to pick up on but obviously not. What I mean is, 'The Sub' is assuming that you are someone else and not you as in you. In simpler terms, he has you mixed up with a member of the opposite sex.............that's WTF I'm on about.

ok but what i fail to get is how people are mixing me up and with who.
Do people not know by now who I am?:rolleyes:

you have to pay players, if your a semi-pro club, like us, you pay players,

its called a performance related contract folks,

its not that the commitee has gone as far as it can, it can go alot further, there are good people who know what there doing, but people have to support the club, this is what its built on, and its the right way to go, except for when its not supported, now we have develope a new way to run it,

no piont talking, myself, plod, luka, 14, and 72 are trying to arrange things but if noone will follow us wtf are we suppose to do, i know jack about fundraisers, but ill give it a go, the only thing i refuse to sacrifice is my match day,

I disagree with the point that the current committee can take us further.
The club has been brought to its knees and there has not been alot of leadership shown by the committee over the last 12 months. They simply have not preformed. In any other business if a person didn't preform they would be sacked.
The A.G.M. is coming up on the 1st of march and it is time for change. There are some good members out who there should be given a chance.
No disrespect to the current committee or previous committees but it is time for new and younger blood to be brought in and given a chance to run the club.

there is a whole new commitee up for election, also there is vice chairman and treasurer up for election, thats 7 positions up for grabs,

this is whats going on, im not gonna be applyin, who is

Okay -our club had recently been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world with the reality that we had been operating and spending away and above our means, not just last year but for years. The policy of putting players first above everything else in the absense of matching gates brought it all to a head.

Now peope are asking us to revert back to that failed policy of paying out money we dont have! If a weekly €2,000 budget is all that simple to raise -lets have from you!

Then entered our new financial controller who looked over our books and methods of operations and we were quiclky brought down to earth with a bitter dose of reality. He made us all see that you just cannot pay people money that you dont have -you must repay your creditors first or you dont survive to do what you were there for in the first place -FOOTBALL.

So now we have people like the sub -kicking all our asses because we wasted months not preparing for now and having a budget in place to pay players. I can see where he is coming from and he can be forgiven for believing he knows whats going on from reading our posts here, but he clearly hasnt a clue or clear picture to the history to all this and why we are where we are (why there was no fundraising).

Its simple -we havnt a budget for players now and the members have already decided that any money that can be raised must go to pay off our creditors (remember some are owed money going back years).

Now that might be a frustrating prospect for people like the Sub, but they might consider for a moment how we feel about it. They might also consider that when some fundraising efforts were attempted some months ago, they were met by some peope who said they would only handover their money if certain conditions were met.
Hasnt the Sub also said in a previous thread that if certain conditions were met, he would put his hand in his pocket? - now he knows

As for only 8 players turning up for training' -I might be wrong about this, but i have a feeling the reason for this poor turnout has little to do with money but more to do with a management issue.