Team for WC qualifiers.

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Originally posted by carnstein
Is that why he was regularlly booed by the Sunderland fans?
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This is cos he gave them the fingers! Everyone is always dissing Kilbane on foot.it but finally there is thread where people are undertanding his worth.It's a choice between having Doherty or Morrison in the team or Kilbane who can actually do damage on the wing and Duff who will still be effective up front.
You may say,but he's not as effective as at left wing.Basically you'll have to make some adjustments if you want to get your best 11 on the pitch.
Breen has proven himself as a reliable defender in the Ireland shirt.I was one of his biggest critics a few years back but he has really grown well into his role at the heart of the irish defence.If were looking at club form,after Julio Arca at Sunderland he's been they're most consistent performer.

The one thing about Kilbane is that he always tries his hardest and his work rate when playing for Ireland is second to none.
The only problem is that the chap has no skill. His game is so 1 dimensional and predictable. He runs at the right back tries to kick the ball passed him and run after it. He rarely pulls it off cause he's not fast enough. His crossing leaves a lot to be desired and thats one of the main jobs of a winger.

If we had no choice at left wing then I'd play Kilbane cause you know what your going to get but we do have a choice, we have the best left winger in the world.

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Originally posted by carnstein
Why is everyone including Kavanagh all of a sudden. He is nearly 31 now and including him in the international side at this stage of his career would seem like a waste of time to me, especially when younger alternatives like Andy Ried, Heally and Miller are knocking about.

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He's 29 and the best central midfielder in the 1st Division whereas Colin Healy is indescribably crap, Miller is too inexperienced and Reid is a winger.

KOH

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Originally posted by WeAreRovers
He's 29 and the best central midfielder in the 1st Division whereas Colin Healy is indescribably crap, Miller is too inexperienced and Reid is a winger.
KOH

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Miller is far more experienced at the highest level than than Kavanagh, so that arguement is wrong.

Healy is not indescribably crap, he is a far better player than the likes of Stephen Ried, Kinsella or Kilbane.

Holland would be a better choice than Kavanagh, at least he is experienced at interntional level and plays in the priemership.

Ried is not a "winger" in the same way Duff is, he regularly plays behind the front two for Forest and would offer us a lot of creativity in the middle. He is a great passer and an excellent dribbler, but also good in the tackle.

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Originally posted by Beavis
or Kilbane who can actually do damage on the wing and Duff who will still be effective up front.

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Duff has no where near as much influence up front as he does on the left. Before the Canada game, the last time Duff played a full game on the left for us was against Denmark in the WC warm up. He tore them to ****e. In the WC he was only effective when moved to the wing.

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Originally posted by Beavis
This is cos he gave them the fingers!

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He gave them the fingers because he was being booed!!!!

Sunderland's best player last year!Are you mad:eek:

I remember Kilbane being booed off the field a good few times for sunderland last year.The sunderland fans saw him for what he really was,a kick and chase merchant.Kilbanes not up to it on the left wing imo,maybe as a left back because he runs himself into the ground and Harte just runs around and waits for a free kick near the box.

Duffer has to go on the left,have ya seen what hes doing at chelsea?The mans brilliant!

If Duff is played out of position AGAIN to accomadate fúcking Kilbane I think I'll cry.

Duff rarely, if ever, plays well up front, at left wing he looks like a world beater. Weather our striker options are limited or not doens't matter, he and Keane don't work together, he's not a striker, he's a world class winger. There isn't a single reason in the world to play him up front. I'd play a Rhymans league player up front if it meant keeping Duff on the left.

I think your spot.Play Duff ON THE WING and leave Kilbane in the everton reserves or where ever he is these days.

Some comments:
- Kavanagh is worth a chance simply because everyone else who has been tried there has not been up to the task.
- I'm not sure why Carr has escaped criticism. He has been very poor for us ever since he came back from injury. Finnan is a better choice at right-full.
- I've said it before but here goes ...... you're all doing Damien a huge disservice by labelling him as a "left winger". That's not his usual position for Chelsea, that's not where he played v Spain and that's not where he played in the u-20 world cup.

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Originally posted by Slash/ED
If Duff is played out of position AGAIN to accomadate fúcking Kilbane I think I'll cry.

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He's not played there to accomodate Kilbane. he's played there because him up front and Kilbane on the left is a MUCH better option than Doherty/Morrision/Connolly up front.

And the best Duff has ever played for Ireland was in the world cup when he played up front with Keane (see also his performance v Holland in Lansdowne)

Have a go at those wasters (Doherty/Morrision/Connolly) before Kilbane

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Originally posted by Dodge

And the best Duff has ever played for Ireland was in the world cup when he played up front with Keane (see also his performance v Holland in Lansdowne)

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This is pure ********, he only played well in the WC when he was moved out to the wing, like against Spain, he was completly ineffective up front for 70 minutes untill he was moved to midfield and he tore the spanish to shreds.

He has never put in an outstanding performance for Ireland when played up front, he should start EVERY game on the left of midfield, there has to be another option up front, be it Morrisson, Connoly, Doherty, Barrett or whoever, but when it comes to picking forwards, Duff should not even be considered!

I'm inclined to agree with Carnstein and all the other posters who have said that we should start our best player in his best position. The simple fact is that wherever possible we should play our best to their strengths and fit others in around them.

Apart from Gary Doherty. As Carmela Soprano says, "enough already".

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Duffer could be European player of the year next year depending on how chelsea get on in the CL and the prem.

Kilbane should be given a try at left back,he's quick,knows how to defend and won't be beaten in the air.
He often assumed this role for WBA and maybe he could do a job here for us.

PS Did everyone see how the 'usless' Kilbane has broken into the first team at Everton and how he scored the other day?

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Originally posted by Beavis
Did everyone see how the 'usless' Kilbane has broken into the first team at Everton and how he scored the other day?

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Saw the highlights. Kilbane was the most surprised man on the pitch when that ball went in. Who does he have competing for the left wing at Everton again?

Probably McFadden at the moment, I've seen him there for Everton a few times since he signed for them.

Going back to him leaving Sunderland, I saw a few times on the web fans stating that they didn't want him to leave, just he didn't want to sign a new contract so better to take any cash for him now rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.

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Originally posted by Dodge
He's not played there to accomodate Kilbane. he's played there because him up front and Kilbane on the left is a MUCH better option than Doherty/Morrision/Connolly up front.

And the best Duff has ever played for Ireland was in the world cup when he played up front with Keane (see also his performance v Holland in Lansdowne)

Have a go at those wasters (Doherty/Morrision/Connolly) before Kilbane

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No offence, but that's a load of rubbish.

Duff did crap all up front in the world cup, the only time he looked good was in the second half when he moved to the wing. In fact, the only time Ireland looked like getting a goal was in the second half when he moved to the wing. Against Holland I can barley recall him touching the ball let alone running at the Dutch defence causing problems.

The best games Duff has had for Ireland have been on the wing (Denmark, Spain, Canada) when he's been up front he's looked very very infeffective.

Morrison is a better option up front then Kilbane is wide left. The proof is in the goals record of the Duff/Keane partnership compared to the Morrison/Keane one. Duff and Keane were a terrible strike force, they rarely scored and neither of them suited playing with each other, at least Morrison stays in the box and lets Keane drop deep without us playing with the handicap of having no striker near the opponents 18 yard like, which is what Keanes game is all about.

If you can name me one good game Duff had up front that gets anywhere near matching the three games I mentioned there I'd be amazed.

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Originally posted by Slash/ED


If you can name me one good game Duff had up front that gets anywhere near matching the three games I mentioned there I'd be amazed.

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At home to Holland. And as soon as start saying one of his best gameswas against canada you start losing the argument...

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Originally posted by Dodge
At home to Holland. And as soon as start saying one of his best gameswas against canada you start losing the argument...

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Well he's barley played on the left, started there all of twice in recent times and that was one of them. Like I said, at home to Holland was fantastic for the team but I don't remember Duff sticking out at all from watching the match live and he certinally is barley mentioned on the road to asia highlights of it. He's not a striker, simple as that, playing him as one is detrimental to him, to Robbie Keane and to the teams attack as a whole. Playing Morrison up there and at least the rest of the team loses nothing, and he's liable to chip in with a few goals, he's proven that.