"Budget Could Make It Impossible To Run Team"

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28/01/2009, 1:48 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by brianw82

The most recent budget was approved. I think that's the one he's complaining about.

Appreciate that; just wondering where the "What's the point of making a profit?" is coming from. Unless (quite possible) youz know more about the accepted budget than I do!

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

i would say Cook is looking for an extra couple of thousand a week over the course of a season that is minute

E2500 over a 39-week season is almost E100k to make up. That's hardly minute.
28/01/2009, 1:58 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by brianw82

One of the problems I can imagine is if our budget is 8,000 per week for example, with 5,200 for player wages, and we have 8 players from last season signed up at 500 per week, that's 4,000 of that 5,200 already used up.

Do we then sign 3 players at 400pw? 4 players at 300? 5 part-timers at 240pw?
The only alternative then is to re-arrange existing contracts for less money, which isn't likely to go down well with players.

Thats a non runner for a start, you can't go down that road, as the likes of Boco could go back to England get the money he is on. The FAI are making the league into a local league, as budgets are now stupidly low you won't be able to attract anybody from outside into the league.
28/01/2009, 2:00 PM
Mr A

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

A bit rich from you, as you have stated you "hope Sligo Rovers crash and burn" on your Harps forum, your shoulder must be in pain carrying that big chip on it.

There is no contradiction between respecting Paul Cook and getting fed up with some of the crap from Sligo posters on this and our own forum to an extent where Rovers crashing and burning would amuse me.

In any case, that's entirely irrelevant to the point here- which is that clubs constantly stretching themselves in the (often vain) hope of success is exactly what has fecked our league right up.
28/01/2009, 2:03 PM
redobit

Lads, the way I see it is this:

For every 250 people we can get to sign up for the '�2 thing' the Trust are running - thats an extra player we can add to Cooks squad.

Whatever about the FAI, commitee, etc. that is definetly in the supporters hands
28/01/2009, 2:18 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by Mr A

There is no contradiction between respecting Paul Cook and getting fed up with some of the crap from Sligo posters on this and our own forum to an extent where Rovers crashing and burning would amuse me.

In any case, that's entirely irrelevant to the point here- which is that clubs constantly stretching themselves in the (often vain) hope of success is exactly what has fecked our league right up.

Your loving it you have been waiting for something like this and come in and have your two cents worth and the put the boot in. To be honest i think your just a jealous bitter, thats all. AN extra 2k a week is not going to strech :rolleyes: us our end of season budget last year did not strech us it actually helped us make a profit, now its cut by 15 to 20% according to Cook, bitter.
28/01/2009, 2:25 PM
Bald Student

An extra 2k per week adds up to almost exactly the amount Sligo had to emergency fund raise last year.
28/01/2009, 2:34 PM
noby

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

The FAI are making the league into a local league, as budgets are now stupidly low you won't be able to attract anybody from outside into the league.

Aah, so it's all the FAI's fault. Here I was thinking they were just trying to ensure budgets were realistic; not setting stupidly low budgets.
28/01/2009, 2:35 PM
brianw82

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Thats a non runner for a start, you can't go down that road, as the likes of Boco could go back to England get the money he is on. The FAI are making the league into a local league, as budgets are now stupidly low you won't be able to attract anybody from outside into the league.

Budgets are not 'stupidly low', they are simply realistic now.

Maybe you enjoyed putting your hands even deeper into your pockets last summer, but I, and most others, certainly didn't. We don't want to do that again. Your posts consistently display a lack of understanding about the league and its financial state.
28/01/2009, 2:42 PM
Dodge

Yep, sorry i backed you up now Maniac. Budgets aren't being made to be low for the hell of it, they're bing made low as thats all clubs can afford
28/01/2009, 2:43 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

An extra 2k per week adds up to almost exactly the amount Sligo had to emergency fund raise last year.

Hold on for a second sure that was because of much higher budgets, the end of season budget last year was never going to put us in that trouble.
What are we going to do build a new stand with this budget surplus and who the hell will want to come and watch if you can't aford to offer a decent wage. People would want to remember what the average industrial wage in Ireland is 33,000 a year (�634 a week), on the rumored budgets being handed out an 18 player squad the avg earner would about �550-580 well below that. What i would take from that is the FAI don't want full time football or just don't want to risk any bad publicity.
28/01/2009, 2:48 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Hold on for a second sure that was because of much higher budgets, the end of season budget last year was never going to put us in that trouble.
What are we going to do build a new stand with this budget surplus and who the hell will want to come and watch if you can't aford to offer a decent wage. People would want to remember what the average industrial wage in Ireland is 33,000 a year (�634 a week), on the rumored budgets being handed out an 18 player squad the avg earner would about �550-580 well below that. What i would take from that is the FAI don't want full time football or just don't want to risk any bad publicity.

Or that Sligo can't afford full time football.
28/01/2009, 2:48 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by brianw82

Budgets are not 'stupidly low', they are simply realistic now.

Maybe you enjoyed putting your hands even deeper into your pockets last summer, but I, and most others, certainly didn't. We don't want to do that again. Your posts consistently display a lack of understanding about the league and its financial state.

Your 8k figure up above, where did yo get that out of ? Guess :D
28/01/2009, 2:49 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

What are we going to do build a new stand with this budget surplus

What budget surplus?

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What i would take from that is the FAI don't want full time football or just don't want to risk any bad publicity.

Or maybe - just maybe - they're tired of clubs offering full time football when they can't afford it.
28/01/2009, 2:53 PM
brianw82

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Your 8k figure up above, where did yo get that out of ? Guess :D

It was a hypothetical example.
28/01/2009, 2:55 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

What budget surplus?

Or maybe - just maybe - they're tired of clubs offering full time football when they can't afford it.

But sure we showed we could afford the budget we ran the club on at the end of the season why could we not have this again? It is laughable, the aim of all this is the FAI set a budget that is so low it is not possible for a club to get into any trouble. Then at the end of the season they turn around, and tell us how they turned around the clubs and saved the league.
28/01/2009, 2:57 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by brianw82

It was a hypothetical example.

Fair enough a wild guess !
28/01/2009, 3:05 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

the aim of all this is the FAI set a budget that is so low it is not possible for a club to get into any trouble. Then at the end of the season they turn around, and tell us how they turned around the clubs and saved the league.

I actually agree with you here.

I'm an engineer by profession and it's a general principal with us that we should design bridges so strong that they could not possibly collapse. If the accountants worked the same way, the league and the rest of the world would be much better off.
28/01/2009, 3:11 PM
Rovers Maniac

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

I actually agree with you here.

I'm an engineer by profession and it's a general principal with us that we should design bridges so strong that they could not possibly collapse. If the accountants worked the same way, the league and the rest of the world would be much better off.

Watch the crowds flock !
28/01/2009, 3:14 PM
dublinred

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

What budget surplus?

Or maybe - just maybe - they're tired of clubs offering full time football when they can't afford it.

We own our ground and have no mortgage or rent to pay on it , most of our officers and stewards are voluntary so therefore its likely we will end up with a cash surplus from the 35% of income that has to be set aside.

Going back on topic I can understad Cooks frustrations as we were struggling numbers wise towards the end of the season and now have a lot more games to play with a small squad I expect the MC are also dissappointed with the budget approved by the FAI as they have been knocked down twice looks like the FAI din't trust the numbers submitted originally or else were just being overcautious and knocked a % off anyways.
28/01/2009, 3:24 PM
Dodge

Are people honestly saying they wouldn't know what to do with 35% of income not taken up by wages? jesus christ lads..

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