Reid, Red and Ireland. The 3 best playmakers we've ever had?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I've seen it all now. The above simply beggars belief.

I'd be interested to hear how you'd compare the all-knowing wikipedia definition to the descriptions I threw out on page 1. You were doing ok when you cited Deco as (one type of) playmaker but describing Fabregas as "too selfish" to be a playmaker is simply flabbergasting.

For what it's worth Roy Keane had everything in my opinion. At his peak he was probably the best so-called holding midfielder in the game, the best box-to-box midfielder in the game and his simple give-and-go passing had many attributes of a classic central midfield playmaker. He didn't have the flair of a Platini or Brady but to overlook his ability to dictate play is foolish.

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Ya that just about sums in up. This is a crazy thread, highly entertaining though. The Fabregas reference was my favourite, in the history of football he must be top or near top on my UNSELFISH list. He passes the ball more than any player I can think of and never takes players on. Has the occasional pop at goal when it's there to be hit but other than that. Any player that tries to keep the game moving from the centre of the pitch can be considered a playmaker in my eyes and there was nobody better at that than Keano!!

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I've seen it all now. The above simply beggars belief.

I'd be interested to hear how you'd compare the all-knowing wikipedia definition to the descriptions I threw out on page 1. You were doing ok when you cited Deco as (one type of) playmaker but describing Fabregas as "too selfish" to be a playmaker is simply flabbergasting.

For what it's worth Roy Keane had everything in my opinion. At his peak he was probably the best so-called holding midfielder in the game, the best box-to-box midfielder in the game and his simple give-and-go passing had many attributes of a classic central midfield playmaker. He didn't have the flair of a Platini or Brady but to overlook his ability to dictate play is foolish.

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Agree with all that.

Even by the thread starter's own definition of what a playmaker is, the suggestion that the three players mentioned are the best we've ever had is ridiculous, even someone young must be aware of the talent Giles, Brady and Whelan to start with possessed.

His throwing the toys out of the pram is very funny though.

This is an easy question, if you think about it for a second

"a playmaker is an attacking player who controls the flow of the team's offensive play, and is often involved in [COLOR=#002bb8]passing[/COLOR] moves which lead to [COLOR=#002bb8]goals[/COLOR]"


Over the last 5 years, which if Sheridan, Keane and co. are not included then thats the time period we are talking about, then the answer simply....

..... DAMIAN DUFF. :eek:

THe only Irish player to consistantly come closest to the All ruling Wikipedia Definition.

FACT!!

Its my thread and I will cry if I want to cry if I want to. You'd cry too if it happened to you.

Hilarious stuff.

An impressive haul, Ciaran.

Reid, Red and Ireland better than Giles, Brady and Whelan .. lol

No one mentioned Red Hurley!

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Originally Posted by DeNiro

No one mentioned Red Hurley!

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Red Riding Hood

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

but describing Fabregas as "too selfish" to be a playmaker is simply flabbergasting.

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fabregasting surely?

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Originally Posted by Junior

fabregasting surely?

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I was wondering whether or not Stutts used that word purposely.

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

Reid, Reid S and Ireland. The 3 best playmakers we've ever had?

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You're not Laughing Bill O'Herlihy is disguise are you? This is the sort of stuff he comes out with so that the dwarf can go off on one of his rants :rolleyes: ?

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Originally Posted by Junior

fabregasting surely?

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Ha! it had to be said I suppose, I opted out cos I thought....too easy!!!

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

Ha! it had to be said I suppose, I opted out cos I thought....too easy!!!

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feck off - Im a comical genius.;)

Lads if we are not careful he may refuse to post on this forum ever again or kill his granny and wear superman pants and get a nice wig.

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Originally Posted by Junior

fabregasting surely?

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:) the pun had certainly crossed my mind alright!

if anyone is a playmaker keith fahey is the ultimate one(in terms of ireland)

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Originally Posted by irishultra

if anyone is a playmaker keith fahey is the ultimate one(in terms of ireland)

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I'd just go back to the point I made about what level a player is playing at. Most of our players could play a playmakers role at some level. Steven and Andy Reid would certainly be the ultimate playmakers of the LOI.

In fairness I think Roy Keane kept it too simple to be considered a playmaker.

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Originally Posted by danonion

In fairness I think Roy Keane kept it too simple to be considered a playmaker.

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He didn't go for 40 yard passes, but he would make driving runs and make little one-twos with people all over the field.

It's a different kind of playmaker, but I'd still give him that label.

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Originally Posted by danonion

In fairness I think Roy Keane kept it too simple to be considered a playmaker.

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Totally disagree, he kept his passes simple alright but kept the ball moving very well and brought others into the game. Always showed for the ball and tried to dictate the pace of the game. Who was United's playmaker if he wasn't in the treble winning season and period around then. At that stage Scholes was more of a Lampard/Gerrard type arriving late into the box and scoring loads of goals, Beckham and Giggs were the wide players and Keane was the one who controled the game.