Change needed .. and fast

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Originally Posted by the sub

Why don't you take note of what city are doing.. I have kept saying this over the last few weeks still your all moaning the chairman, the commette and still your fans are doing nothing. If the examiner comes in lads he will sell your assets or sell to someone who will take over the club. Then where will you be no club no team and still no money And i suppose you will be still asking for a new commette. If you do not get money into your club fast l will repeat myself to tell you your assets will be sold off. But at least you will have your footie web pager to moan about.

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We are a members only club and cannot go into examinership!
It does seem all sweet and rosie and simple to fix but it is not.
The constitution is preventing us as members from doing anything until the AGM which is in Jan or Feb.
The committee is protected. If there was a vote of no confidence in the chairman he would still not have to go!
People are not going to help bailing out the water from the sinking ship when they cannot do anything to prevent the leaks.
The constitution has to be the first thing on the agenda if the committee can see sense and step down. Only then can structures be put in place and sub committees organised so as to give locals the confidence to invest and save the club!

If you owe larges debts inc revenue Your club can Be made bankrupt or an examimer can be brought to see if they salvage the club or business either ways ur assets will be sold to pay your creditors.. Just because your club is run by members you are not out side the courts or law. You still have to pay the creditor

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Guy

That wasn't what i had in mind when I said an interim committee, I reckon there are a lot of respectable decent people around the club who will come together for the betterment of the club but will not do so under this regime.

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doesnt mean that they will do a good job, i believe most of the current committee fall under respectable and decent but you need experience and expertise, your option doesnt quite tick all the boxes

Two things!
One. I take comic book guy at his word why he hasnt been on here for a while, but I find suspect why the vultures are circling the wagons at this time. When a members meeting was called in the club last week, many were there but all they seem to want was the chairman and his commitees heads. They totally missed the point why the meeting was called and they certainly werent listening to the proposals put forward to move things forward.
two. Rebel Ram has spelt it out here over a few threads and no one seems to be biting. 'Its The Consitutuion Stupid' to use Clinton Speak.
Interim Committees or Super or Sub Committees arent worth a toss unless the constitution is made member friendly and provides for accountable and open democracy. It was only revealed last week by a former senior club official that our current constitution was written up by a legal student that never passed his exams. God save us!
We all know that many have and still continue to hide behind our current constitution, and that is largely why we are in this mess -no accountabiliy! If comic book guy and others are really really serious about what they say, lets hear and see their proposals about this constitution -lets see their business plans -their mission statements etc!

Redshanks, RR, I understand what you say about the constitution, by all means it should be overhauled, but rememember a constitution does not get a club into debt. A management committee of a club is what gets you into debt by spending what you don't have.
The way I see it is that we need money and very fast, the crux of the matter is that many won't give that money under the current set up.
BTW I'm not a vulture circling the wagons, just deeply worried. We owe it to the past generations who built the club up and to future generations to keep it going.

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Originally Posted by Redshanks

It was only revealed last week by a former senior club official that our current constitution was written up by a legal student that never passed his exams. God save us!

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What a club, seriously a new low!

that maybe correct .. but you all must have read it, voted on it and passed it otherwise it would not be there.
but still all everyone of you are looking for something to moan about instead on doing the right thing which is getting together as a club/ team and save your club.
The rate you all are going you could write a book about the club and it could be a best seller. you could call it '' The Blame Game Now It Over''

The Constitution did exactly get us into debt because it allowed others to do just that and still allows for it to continue.

No one will come forward with their money until they see a fool-proof means of protecting against such a scenario repeating itself. So its no good saying get rid of the present lot if those who take over are protected to doing the same thing by our costitution.

There is no getting away from this basic reality -the constitution must be changed to ensure that members have everything infront of them and they and they alone sign off on everything thats done in their name. Lets start by putting a budget in place for next year, but first it must be put before the members for approval.

With that sort of accountability you might get people to step up with their money, but more importantly, people on the outside who have shied away from the bad name of Cobh Ramblers for years, just might start to come inside our gates, and know that the ticket fee they had paid has gone where its supposed to!

I heard that one of the supposed Cork City investors who was at Saturdays game, sent a text to a Ramblers official later and said he was disgusted by the sight of so many people being let in the gate of colmans pk for free! ****ing morons

I heard a conversation between two dogs on the street discussing it yesterday!

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Originally Posted by Redshanks

I heard.....

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You see that's the problem in Cobh right there. Always has been.

I heard what I already saw with my own eyes, and have for months. I was only one of many people who reported to the chairman about what everyone sees going on at that gate. So when someone else mentions the same thing -ya I'll believe it, and when someone who's reported as being an investor with the opposing team at a local derby, repeats the same thing, I'll also believe it but with much concern!

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Originally Posted by Redshanks

The Constitution did exactly get us into debt because it allowed others to do just that and still allows for it to continue.

No one will come forward with their money until they see a fool-proof means of protecting against such a scenario repeating itself. So its no good saying get rid of the present lot if those who take over are protected to doing the same thing by our costitution.
There is no getting away from this basic reality -the constitution must be changed to ensure that members have everything infront of them and they and they alone sign off on everything thats done in their name. Lets start by putting a budget in place for next year, but first it must be put before the members for approval.

With that sort of accountability you might get people to step up with their money, but more importantly, people on the outside who have shied away from the bad name of Cobh Ramblers for years, just might start to come inside our gates, and know that the ticket fee they had paid has gone where its supposed to!

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That is it in a nutshell. The supporters will put a package in place to save the club once they have protection!

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Originally Posted by Redshanks

I heard that one of the supposed Cork City investors who was at Saturdays game, sent a text to a Ramblers official later and said he was disgusted by the sight of so many people being let in the gate of colmans pk for free! ****ing morons

I heard a conversation between two dogs on the street discussing it yesterday!

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Ya thats right, I got in at the gate free. and so did about two others behind me....only prob with that is I have a season ticket which i didnt show as they know me.Also two behind have season tickets as I know them and they are at AGMs... but then again City Investors know us ....dont they?
Thats how bad rumours start...and we all know there is lots of tem around

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Originally Posted by Rambler1

Ya thats right, I got in at the gate free. and so did about two others behind me....only prob with that is I have a season ticket which i didnt show as they know me.Also two behind have season tickets as I know them and they are at AGMs... but then again City Investors know us ....dont they?
Thats how bad rumours start...and we all know there is lots of tem around

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ya well thats what the turnstyles are for, stop trying to protect people, it wasnt just season ticket holders it was anyone who knocked on the gate, there is no reason for the main gate to be opened unless a car needs to enter the ground, that gate should reamain closed at all times otherwise,

sure last year someone opened the gate to find 300 people behind it and over a hundred got in for free,

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that gate should reamain closed at all times otherwise,

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Actually Dr, my guess is that those gates should be open at all times and when I say open I mean opened wide throughout a game, especially with a crown like there was at the City game. The words 'Health & Safety' srping to mind.

As someone already said, we could be making excuses till the cows come home. The gate situation at Colmans Pk gate is the centre of town joke/gossip and probably in Cork too, but whos doing anything about it.

We know the same people will be there doing the same thing at the next home game. Those of us who had a part to play in the Sunderland game were privy to how the gate at Turners Cross is policed and managed -what an eye opener -No one and I mean no one, including the ref and his officials gets a foot inside the gate without the proper ID Pass!

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Originally Posted by luka

Actually Dr, my guess is that those gates should be open at all times and when I say open I mean opened wide throughout a game, especially with a crown like there was at the City game. The words 'Health & Safety' srping to mind.

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what in case the north terrace catches fire :D
city keep one gate open for crowds of 2-8000, ireland games in lansdown, 50000 people, gates closed:eek:

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Originally Posted by don ramo

ya well thats what the turnstyles are for, stop trying to protect people, it wasnt just season ticket holders it was anyone who knocked on the gate, there is no reason for the main gate to be opened unless a car needs to enter the ground, that gate should reamain closed at all times otherwise,

sure last year someone opened the gate to find 300 people behind it and over a hundred got in for free,

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Listen ya muppet....I dont go in that gate for the fun of winding people up . I, and more like me that help for free, have to use that most times to get in and get ready to do what we need to do On time.i.e thats me the stewards, the shop girls, the programme sellers, refs assistants etc etc ie and anyone else I forgot, that is anyone who takes the time and effort to help and not be mouthing off about covering up for people...I aint covering up for anyone bud, Ive had more season tickets then you have had hot dinners...so get a life,give a hand and you can use it too, promise I'll protect ye....

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Originally Posted by Rambler1

Listen ya muppet....I dont go in that gate for the fun of winding people up . I, and more like me that help for free, have to use that most times to get in and get ready to do what we need to do On time.i.e thats me the stewards, the shop girls, the programme sellers, refs assistants etc etc ie and anyone else I forgot, that is anyone who takes the time and effort to help and not be mouthing off about covering up for people...I aint covering up for anyone bud, Ive had more season tickets then you have had hot dinners...so get a life,give a hand and you can use it too, promise I'll protect ye....

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stupid post, there in no congestion at the turnstyles, so therefore there quicker, its not like you need to show identification, everyone knows the stewarts and all others who help out on match day,

even if YOU and the HELPERS use the main gate, there are still people entering it for free so how do are ya gonna stop that, i also know the poeple who help out, so dont bother trying to pull the wool over my eyes,

and why are you so defensive,

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Originally Posted by Rambler1

Ive had more season tickets then you have had hot dinners...so get a life,

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man another one, your fantastic, im only in my 20s, when im in my 50s ill have had 30+ season tickets also